Ive never rehabbed, so when I'm wholesaling what is the best way to estimate repair costs of the property?
Ive never rehabbed, so when I'm wholesaling what is the best way to estimate repair costs of the property?
Go to a REIA meeting and ask the people there what they use. It's a good idea to ask who they use as well, otherwise you might not get the same price.
Take a buyer/wholesaler out for dinner (that you pay for), and pick their brain.
I would also tell you to hire a GC to help you to understand how much things cost and how they estimate. You might have to do this a few times to get the hang of it.
You could also try a rehab yourself and you would learn quickly what things should cost.
Don't you find GCs tend to be too detail oriented? I look for ballpark figures, eg paint interior = $2000, new furnace = $3000, etc. I don't want to have to measure rooms or balance heat flow calculations, etc.
Note to OP: don't use these numbers, as they vary city to city, and with size of house.
If you think GCs are detail oriented, wait until you start dealing with successful investors... :wink:
J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Roy -
I don't mean to be a e-peen measuring toolbag here, but that attitude is why most real investors pay absolutely zero attention to what the wholesaler claims the repair cost is... wholesalers tend to find real (aka: Useful, realistic) quotes to be 'too detailed' and 'tedious', and as a result tend to miss tens of thousands of dollars worth of repairs.
And just in general - I hate it when wholesalers give me sauce about balancing heat flow. If you can't handle sqft/600 = roughly the tonnage for the HVAC, you need to find another business to be in.
And another thing - measuring rooms isn't that hard. Get a laser measuring tool and zap together some quick figures for sqyds of carpet, hardwoods, tile. No one is asking you to for a to-the-inch measurement, but it gets under my skin when a wholesaler tells me that "It's only 900 sqft of hardwoods/carpet!" and it ends up being more like 1800 sqft of hardwoods/carpet. It makes me believe that their eyes and calculators are malfunctioning.
TL;DR - wholesalers who can't be bothered to even PRETEND to make real cost estimates are lazy and give wholesalers a bad name.
I agree with Aaron. Get out there and work for your money... Get accurate repair estimates and your buyers list will grow.
To be a credible wholesaler you must present realistic repair values, there is no other way around out. The bulk of your business will be through repeat buyers and referrals, and you will get very few if you do not put in the time and effort to provide numbers to your potential buyers. If I was working with a wholesaler and he/she provided me with bogus, incomplete, or general numbers, I would dismiss them as inexperienced, uneducated or just a bad business person and never work with them again.
As an investor I pour hours of my time and energy into finding profitable deals and seeing them through to the end and I expect a wholesale to pour his/her energy into bringing me good deals. I try to be the best at my job, and I would expect a good wholesale to do the same.
Aaron - thanks for the feedback. But I think there's a difference between realism & precision. 5 different GCs looking at the same house will come up with 5 different numbers. For example, a new furnace might be $1800, $2700, $2900, $3100, $4500. I don't see a problem with using a ballpark of $3000. I do see a problem with using $1800, even if it comes straight from a GC. And I do see a problem with using $3000 for *every* house - I vary the number according to size & number of levels.
Now I do know a wholesaler who walks thru a house and says it's a $10,000 or $30,000 or $50,000 repair job -- that's taking it too far :)
Jerry Norton has the most informative video I've scene on the [REMOVED] for estimating repairs that you can take notes from.
To get info about things you don't know about try going to netwroking. Search who is doing what you want to be doing that's giving out free info threw articles, blogs, and check how well they conduct themselves online. Alot of those guys don't post in forums.
Does anybody use the condition muliplier to get a quick ESTIMATE of the rehab cost?
Example
Light rehab = $5/sqft 1000 sq/ft home = $5000
Medium rehab = $10/sqft """ = $10,000
Heavy Rehab = $15/sqft """ = $15,000
I never knew about this one has it worked well for you kevin?
This is a reasonable way to do it if you are already familiar with costs. For example, $5/sf wouldn't even get me a light rehab by my standards. And a heavy rehab for me is about $30/sf.
So, you still need to know your numbers...
J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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