The HQS items that fail first Section 8 inspections in Memphis (and cost you a month

The HQS items that fail first Section 8 inspections in Memphis (and cost you a month

Josh HandlerPro Member
Contractor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2026 · 72 posts · 86 votes

Every failed HQS inspection in Memphis costs you the same thing: a re-inspection wait and usually a month of abatement or delayed HAP payments. After doing rent-ready turns on a lot of voucher units here, the same short list fails over and over, and almost all of it is cheap to fix BEFORE the inspector shows up:

1. GFCIs and open grounds. Any outlet near water without GFCI protection, or three-prong outlets on ungrounded circuits. In older Memphis stock with original panels this is almost guaranteed unless someone already addressed it.

2. Peeling paint on pre-1978 homes. Interior or exterior, any deteriorated paint is an automatic fail because of lead-based paint rules. A scrape-and-spot-prime pass before inspection is cheap insurance. Most of the Memphis rental stock is pre-1978, so assume this applies to you.

3. Handrails and guardrails. Four or more steps needs a graspable handrail. Porches and decks past a certain height need guardrails. Inspectors measure.

4. Window issues. Every window needs to open, stay open on its own, lock, and have intact glass. Painted-shut windows in old Midtown and South Memphis houses fail constantly.

5. Smoke and CO detectors, placement and function. Not just present, working, and in the right locations including bedrooms.

6. Water heater TPR discharge pipe. Missing or wrong-material discharge line off the relief valve is one of the most common single-item fails I see, and it's a twenty-minute fix.

None of this is exotic. The units that pass first try are the ones where somebody walked the property with the checklist a week ahead instead of hoping. Fail, and you're waiting on the re-inspection calendar while the unit sits.

For transparency, I run a construction and maintenance company here in Memphis, a lot of our work is getting voucher units through inspection, which is why I have this list memorized.

Question for the group: for those running Section 8 here, what's the weirdest thing an inspector has ever failed you on? Always trying to add to the pre-walk checklist.

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Drew SygitBusiness Member
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
2mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Drew Sygit:
Quote from @Josh Handler:

Every failed HQS inspection in Memphis costs you the same thing: a re-inspection wait and usually a month of abatement or delayed HAP payments. After doing rent-ready turns on a lot of voucher units here, the same short list fails over and over, and almost all of it is cheap to fix BEFORE the inspector shows up:

1. GFCIs and open grounds. Any outlet near water without GFCI protection, or three-prong outlets on ungrounded circuits. In older Memphis stock with original panels this is almost guaranteed unless someone already addressed it.

2. Peeling paint on pre-1978 homes. Interior or exterior, any deteriorated paint is an automatic fail because of lead-based paint rules. A scrape-and-spot-prime pass before inspection is cheap insurance. Most of the Memphis rental stock is pre-1978, so assume this applies to you.

3. Handrails and guardrails. Four or more steps needs a graspable handrail. Porches and decks past a certain height need guardrails. Inspectors measure.

4. Window issues. Every window needs to open, stay open on its own, lock, and have intact glass. Painted-shut windows in old Midtown and South Memphis houses fail constantly.

5. Smoke and CO detectors, placement and function. Not just present, working, and in the right locations including bedrooms.

6. Water heater TPR discharge pipe. Missing or wrong-material discharge line off the relief valve is one of the most common single-item fails I see, and it's a twenty-minute fix.

None of this is exotic. The units that pass first try are the ones where somebody walked the property with the checklist a week ahead instead of hoping. Fail, and you're waiting on the re-inspection calendar while the unit sits.

For transparency, I run a construction and maintenance company here in Memphis, a lot of our work is getting voucher units through inspection, which is why I have this list memorized.

Question for the group: for those running Section 8 here, what's the weirdest thing an inspector has ever failed you on? Always trying to add to the pre-walk checklist.


Metro Detroit has a "crazy" S8 inspector that does work for several housing commissions.

Every PMC here knows about them.

They once wanted us to paint a room ONLY because they didn't like the color.


What? It was the wrong color of purple? Please tell me you stood your ground on that one!

Yeah, finally got around it!

We cringe though every time this inspector is assigned as there's ALWAYS something above & beyond. We've complained to the powers that be with zero response:( 

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  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    There's not really much excuse for failing. Utilize their (S8) inspection form WITH standards to prep all units. A $10 tester will tell you if an outlet is wired incorrectly, and you should test GFCI's by simply pressing the "test" button and reset. Everything else is pretty well spelled out in their standards.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    2mo
    Quote from @Josh Handler:

    Every failed HQS inspection in Memphis costs you the same thing: a re-inspection wait and usually a month of abatement or delayed HAP payments. After doing rent-ready turns on a lot of voucher units here, the same short list fails over and over, and almost all of it is cheap to fix BEFORE the inspector shows up:

    1. GFCIs and open grounds. Any outlet near water without GFCI protection, or three-prong outlets on ungrounded circuits. In older Memphis stock with original panels this is almost guaranteed unless someone already addressed it.

    2. Peeling paint on pre-1978 homes. Interior or exterior, any deteriorated paint is an automatic fail because of lead-based paint rules. A scrape-and-spot-prime pass before inspection is cheap insurance. Most of the Memphis rental stock is pre-1978, so assume this applies to you.

    3. Handrails and guardrails. Four or more steps needs a graspable handrail. Porches and decks past a certain height need guardrails. Inspectors measure.

    4. Window issues. Every window needs to open, stay open on its own, lock, and have intact glass. Painted-shut windows in old Midtown and South Memphis houses fail constantly.

    5. Smoke and CO detectors, placement and function. Not just present, working, and in the right locations including bedrooms.

    6. Water heater TPR discharge pipe. Missing or wrong-material discharge line off the relief valve is one of the most common single-item fails I see, and it's a twenty-minute fix.

    None of this is exotic. The units that pass first try are the ones where somebody walked the property with the checklist a week ahead instead of hoping. Fail, and you're waiting on the re-inspection calendar while the unit sits.

    For transparency, I run a construction and maintenance company here in Memphis, a lot of our work is getting voucher units through inspection, which is why I have this list memorized.

    Question for the group: for those running Section 8 here, what's the weirdest thing an inspector has ever failed you on? Always trying to add to the pre-walk checklist.


    Metro Detroit has a "crazy" S8 inspector that does work for several housing commissions.

    Every PMC here knows about them.

    They once wanted us to paint a room ONLY because they didn't like the color.

    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:
      Quote from @Josh Handler:

      Every failed HQS inspection in Memphis costs you the same thing: a re-inspection wait and usually a month of abatement or delayed HAP payments. After doing rent-ready turns on a lot of voucher units here, the same short list fails over and over, and almost all of it is cheap to fix BEFORE the inspector shows up:

      1. GFCIs and open grounds. Any outlet near water without GFCI protection, or three-prong outlets on ungrounded circuits. In older Memphis stock with original panels this is almost guaranteed unless someone already addressed it.

      2. Peeling paint on pre-1978 homes. Interior or exterior, any deteriorated paint is an automatic fail because of lead-based paint rules. A scrape-and-spot-prime pass before inspection is cheap insurance. Most of the Memphis rental stock is pre-1978, so assume this applies to you.

      3. Handrails and guardrails. Four or more steps needs a graspable handrail. Porches and decks past a certain height need guardrails. Inspectors measure.

      4. Window issues. Every window needs to open, stay open on its own, lock, and have intact glass. Painted-shut windows in old Midtown and South Memphis houses fail constantly.

      5. Smoke and CO detectors, placement and function. Not just present, working, and in the right locations including bedrooms.

      6. Water heater TPR discharge pipe. Missing or wrong-material discharge line off the relief valve is one of the most common single-item fails I see, and it's a twenty-minute fix.

      None of this is exotic. The units that pass first try are the ones where somebody walked the property with the checklist a week ahead instead of hoping. Fail, and you're waiting on the re-inspection calendar while the unit sits.

      For transparency, I run a construction and maintenance company here in Memphis, a lot of our work is getting voucher units through inspection, which is why I have this list memorized.

      Question for the group: for those running Section 8 here, what's the weirdest thing an inspector has ever failed you on? Always trying to add to the pre-walk checklist.


      Metro Detroit has a "crazy" S8 inspector that does work for several housing commissions.

      Every PMC here knows about them.

      They once wanted us to paint a room ONLY because they didn't like the color.


      What? It was the wrong color of purple? Please tell me you stood your ground on that one!
    • Drew SygitBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:
      Quote from @Josh Handler:

      Every failed HQS inspection in Memphis costs you the same thing: a re-inspection wait and usually a month of abatement or delayed HAP payments. After doing rent-ready turns on a lot of voucher units here, the same short list fails over and over, and almost all of it is cheap to fix BEFORE the inspector shows up:

      1. GFCIs and open grounds. Any outlet near water without GFCI protection, or three-prong outlets on ungrounded circuits. In older Memphis stock with original panels this is almost guaranteed unless someone already addressed it.

      2. Peeling paint on pre-1978 homes. Interior or exterior, any deteriorated paint is an automatic fail because of lead-based paint rules. A scrape-and-spot-prime pass before inspection is cheap insurance. Most of the Memphis rental stock is pre-1978, so assume this applies to you.

      3. Handrails and guardrails. Four or more steps needs a graspable handrail. Porches and decks past a certain height need guardrails. Inspectors measure.

      4. Window issues. Every window needs to open, stay open on its own, lock, and have intact glass. Painted-shut windows in old Midtown and South Memphis houses fail constantly.

      5. Smoke and CO detectors, placement and function. Not just present, working, and in the right locations including bedrooms.

      6. Water heater TPR discharge pipe. Missing or wrong-material discharge line off the relief valve is one of the most common single-item fails I see, and it's a twenty-minute fix.

      None of this is exotic. The units that pass first try are the ones where somebody walked the property with the checklist a week ahead instead of hoping. Fail, and you're waiting on the re-inspection calendar while the unit sits.

      For transparency, I run a construction and maintenance company here in Memphis, a lot of our work is getting voucher units through inspection, which is why I have this list memorized.

      Question for the group: for those running Section 8 here, what's the weirdest thing an inspector has ever failed you on? Always trying to add to the pre-walk checklist.


      Metro Detroit has a "crazy" S8 inspector that does work for several housing commissions.

      Every PMC here knows about them.

      They once wanted us to paint a room ONLY because they didn't like the color.


      What? It was the wrong color of purple? Please tell me you stood your ground on that one!

      Yeah, finally got around it!

      We cringe though every time this inspector is assigned as there's ALWAYS something above & beyond. We've complained to the powers that be with zero response:( 

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    2mo

    Most of these things seem like a first time problem. Unless someone steals your handrails, opens and cuts your outlets, your slow cousin paints your windows closed between turns.  I can see this being a problem the first time. But things listed seem to come down to test smoke detectors and make sure they haven’t been stolen/moved.  

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure it can suck when the government employee is on a power trip instead of apathetic. (Your two choices.) but hopefully the 2nd go round is much easier.  Bless you all for,putting up with this to help the less fortunate. 

    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Bill B.:

      Most of these things seem like a first time problem. Unless someone steals your handrails, opens and cuts your outlets, your slow cousin paints your windows closed between turns.  I can see this being a problem the first time. But things listed seem to come down to test smoke detectors and make sure they haven’t been stolen/moved.  

      Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure it can suck when the government employee is on a power trip instead of apathetic. (Your two choices.) but hopefully the 2nd go round is much easier.  Bless you all for,putting up with this to help the less fortunate. 


      Actually, in my experience, the renewal inspections CAN be worse. If you, or YOUR representative does not attend the inspection to challenge the inspector, they will charge most/all found (or made up) "defects" as Owner responsibility, when they are clearly Tenant DAMAGE. Once they fail you, unless you can get it repaired AND get a follow-up inspection prior to issuance of payment, you will not get your rent on time, and you may not get it at all. 
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