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Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


In August I was seeking on a partner for a 22 unit complex (85% occupied) in SW Ohio.

Two month later, no one have interest for partner up with me and the complex still standing.

Now I read many over Master Lease, should I take the initiative and offer an Master Lease on the 22 units?

The proof is in the pudding. Right? :)

-Uwe


· OR


(shrug) personally, if I were paying all that money and paying all the expenses, I'd much rather be making mortgage payments than rent payments.

However, somebody is doing it. Master leases aren't all that uncommon, although I think more common for things like shopping centers.


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


The seller = Bank, gives already an 100% Financing for this complex, because he is two years on market.
The funny side is no one wants this complex, completely strange. I (as foreigner) don´t become these financing (you must have an credit score the bank said and find a partner for this or give us 50% down). The bank can´t think outside the box, normaly.

The only possibility for me is now to try this Master Lease option. It would be too bad for this complex (with 16 2 beds and 6 3 beds).

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Vicksburg, Michigan


Simply put, the Banks aren't interested in Lease Options. Herbster


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


That´s it!

Thanks Herbster. So I must put off this plan.

-Uwe


· OR


Uwe, aren't you outside the USA? If that is true, have you looked for investors in your own country? Interest is starting to pick up in investing in the USA


Real Estate Consultant · yucaipa, California


A Master L/0 is perfect for this kind of property when your dealing directly with a motivated FSBO Owner/Seller. Banks/Seller don't do L/O. If the property has the potential you say it has then finding Private money/partner shouldn't be a problem.


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


P NW,
Yes Germany is my home country, but its east germany, the former GDR (20 years ago now). Here we live with over 12% unemployment since 1992, okay the social network is very stronger (should I say better) then the US system, but we have other problems.
The main problem is, no one has many money, so I can´t find other investors for this. The next is, no one has interest in this plan. I called the owner of the apartment complex, what I work for, only Europe his answer.
I live in a rough area here in Germany, but not so rough in common with Ohio. We have no weapons and we don´t shooting us here, the last murder of two was 2005 - 30 miles away. The only big law prob is we have thousand speeders on streets :). Its a quite live here.

Matt,
No one will stay in Ohio, I called the reia of this town and he said no interest. I don´t understand that.

The propertie can bring $131k gross and $62k NOI, without the property manager it can be rise to $70-72k, thats a value of $830k then for this building.
All the info what I have is from July 2009.

What the hell, I take a look every week.

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


What is the difference between Master Lease and Lease to purchase? Or is that the same?

I don´t ask this in coherence with the above scenario. I look for some properties in Cleveland and surrounding, to make a second deal for more units in area :).

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Lease purchase, rent to own, and lease/option are more commonly used for SFRs and small properties. Master Lease Option is usually applied to larger buildings. I'm sure there are subtle differences between all of these and between any two deals, but all are essentially the same concept.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


· OR


Uwe, in all the rent-to-own type of deals your hope is that you will eventualy own the property. It's a sort of owner financing.

With a master lease, you will never be anything but the renter. You rent the entire building, and then it is your responsibility to take care of the whole thing. You get the tenants for the individual units and you keep any rent that they pay.

Like I said above, its more common to have a master lease on something like a shopping center. You rent the entire shopping center, all the buildings, all the parking lots, and then you find your own tenants for the individual stores.

With a master lease, the owner of the building is not selling. You aren't buying.


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


Jon, P NW,

Thanks for your advice, I see a Master Lease is not an option for me.
So I take a look now for lease purchase, rent-to-own and so on.

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


Lease purchase or rent-to-own is accompanied by a downpayment or is this negotiable with the owner?

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Uwe,

Just about everything and anything is negotiable. Sometimes it depends on who the other party is; if a bank, then they have their rules that they will follow because they know nothing else.

How flexible the other party is can sometimes be measured by whether they are willing to accept things you want to negotiate, and how close they come to your position (by moving off of their position).

Now, most of the time, you will have to provide funds to get the "option to purchase", so don't get your hopes too high - but it doesn't hurt you too much to try :)


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


Thanks Steve,

I hope I don´t annoy you ^^. But I will play save and better I ask a little over then.

-Uwe


Rehabber · Los Angeles, California


Master Lease Option is a great way to go, as long as you break even or can cash flow. After that just work on imporving the NOI. Seems like you have a little room to do so since you mentioned the property is 85% occupied, leaving you 15% vacancy which you can fill-in right away. Good luck


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