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Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Hello all-

I am just trying to find out how many of you had a formal/informal mentor when you first started out? Or you were someone who read a lots and lots of books and spent time on forums like these to bridge the gap? I feel like I am learning a lot from reading books and spending time on this forum, and I am confused whether I need a mentor or not.

Thanks in advance for all the responses.


Real Estate Coach · St. Louis, Missouri


I get a mentor for everything. It's just the accountability I like and need. It has always been a big part in my success.

Brian Haskins


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


Max... having a mentor helps to fill-in the blanks between what the books suggest and all the details that could never be discussed at that level.

Also, having a mentor helps to move the learning curve towards the left. The better the relationship with your mentor the less the learning curve.

With that being said, I had tons of book and internet learning experience, but I couldn't get started on my own... so I hired a mentor of sorts. You can read that story on my BP blog here... http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/585/blog_posts/3453-i-fired-my-mentor-

Bottom line... this is a business you can do yourself... and succeed well at. On the other hand, a good mentor can accelerate your success.

Best of luck!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I think most of us had people we learned from or those that kickstarted out progress. They didn't have the fancy term mentor or the fees for mentoring when I started and I think it is overused today. It seems to have gained life with all the seminar folks trying to continue the rape and pillaging of your money...
Learn from many different ways, and duplicate what someone else has actually been successful at. IMO, most mentors are overpriced and "underknowledged". Very few have actually done it. You'll find a few of them on here, but you'll find lots more that give you concepts and have never really done much. Good luck on your endeavors. Rich


Real Estate Investor · dc, Washington D.C.


I initially didn't have a choice: my first mentors were my parents and grandparents. They taught me certain things about real-estate investing whether or not I wanted to learn the concepts--and I didn't even realize it until many years later. I ran away from real-estate for years, and came back to it on my own terms.

I also asked my grandfather why he started investing in real-estate. He told me, when he was a new hire, that he asked someone who was older and wiser what to do with his money, and then he acted on that guy's advice.

Check out some of Rich's posts here; I know I've certainly learned a few things--and stolen a few tips/clauses--from him.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Anyone may use ANYTHING I post on here if they find it helpful. No ulterior motives . I'll lose e-mail access in 3 hours for awhile. $30 per day here in Egypt at a resort. It is really amazingly nice here on the Red Sea. Tons of tourists. Reminds me of Cancun 30 years ago, except Egypt is for the europeans and the Russian Mob money... Rich


Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


I have followed many of the gurus and still follow some of them. I do think a mentor can help glue the pieces together that you have gathered from multiple sources. Most of the national gurus are effective marketing machines designed to continously upsell additional services. One I have followed acknowledged his income from programs and coaching was four times his deal income, and he does do alot of deals. Many of the national guys sell a specific niche and the offer may have bells and whistles or software that could be helpful. However, If you pursue a mentor there are several very qualified on this site; which I think would provide you a better and more valuable experience.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Kind of like Hak's story. I had a mentor when I was in 6th grade. At the time all I knew was my dad was making me go to his construction projects and pick up trash, shovel gravel, etc.... Didn't realize the full impact till later of all I had learned.

When I got older and thought I was so much smarter, I paid for some mentoring from a Chicago real estate expert that was worth 8, 12, 22 and 25 million dollars depending on who you talked to and on what day. My dad met this guy and after 5 minutes of talking to him said he'd never do business with this guy. He had him nailed and it took me another year to come around and realize he was right.

In that time I did come across another guy (his name was Rich - different Rich) who owned ten 30 unit complexes in Chicago, starting as a fresh college grad with a humanities degree. He had a similar background to my dad who started with a music degree. It's important to find mentors who "get" where you're coming from. He gave me some simple mentoring and didn't charge me. It was simply a matter of me listening and not trying to be smarter than him. I also went back to learning from my dad and again, listening and not trying to be smarter than him.

The best mentors you don't pay for, and couldn't afford if you tried.


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


"The best mentors you don't pay for, and couldn't afford if you tried."

That truly is one of the best quotes I've heard in a while. That's going to go in my books.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Hello guys,

Thank you so much for your wonderful responses. A follow up question to this one. How do you know the mentor is worth the cost he is asking for? For example, I was talking to a real estate expert and he said his mentoring charges are total of about $20,000 ($5,000 fee upfront and remainder $15,000 over next couple of years). That is a LOTTTTT of money IMO, but is that what a mentor would normally charge?

Another question, what sort of things I should expect from a mentor? If I am paying a mentor, should I expect him to go see every place with me? Or once I like the place, the mentor will just do the analysis for me?

Thanks!


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by Max I
How do you know the mentor is worth the cost he is asking for? For example, I was talking to a real estate expert and he said his mentoring charges are total of about $20,000 ($5,000 fee upfront and remainder $15,000 over next couple of years). That is a LOTTTTT of money IMO, but is that what a mentor would normally charge?


20 grand? Holy crap don't you dare spend that kind of money on some "mentor" before you check them out.

How much due diligence have you done on this guy?

How many properties does he own?

How did he get those properties?

How did he get financed?

What are his family connections he got into the game with? There's one "mentor" in Florida who is famously known as a renegade, maverick type of real estate investor who has a famous career of building and selling huge spec homes. He has a rags to riches story with a little wrinkle that is not so well known - his grandfather was chair of the DNC in Washington and his father owned a bank. You think he may have had a few connections that are different from the average person?

Don't invest 5 grand with this guy until you do your due diligence on him.

Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Hang on Mark. I just saw you're in Chicago. I have a sneaking suspicion I know the "mentor" you're talking about. Send me a pm.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Couple of things I should have added to my last post are that the $15k will be paid out of the profits of the deal. If I don't make any profit, he doesn't get paid.

And also, I will NOT get anyone at that cost as a mentor. The money just seemed absurdly high, so wanted to discuss with you guys.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Tim, I think I know who he might be talking about also.

Heres my ".02 CENTS" on it, please make your own wise decision. I was one who always read the books and chatted on forums and got as much free help as possible, I started without a mentor and JUMPED in to rehabs knowing NOTHING AT ALL about construction and real estate. I took some huge risks and played with my future over a whim, now luckily I was saved by a great market and still sold them to make a profit. But yes maybe you should have a mentor, look into some local clubs.....NOW the main question is....should you have to pay for these "MENTOR SERVICES" is another thing.

There are some investors out there that will help you with stuff when you go to the meetings but others want to get paid for helping....Im not one for paying 20k for services like that nor would I pay 7k.....but thats just me.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Adrian-

Thanks for the post. I feel like I don't need a mentor. I think I have learned a lot from this forum and reading various books. I have created a very comprehensive checklist for myself that I go through for each property.

Having said that, it would be very nice to have a mentor to guide me through, but I am not paying someone that kind of money.



Mentors are there to help and guide. And, to share with you their stories and mistakes they've made. In the beginning, it's very difficult with all the different methods and techniques out there - mentors bring experience to the table.

After working with a mentor for awhile, you'll be able to go off on your own and have your own style of doing things. Then, you'll have your own stories to share with others. Hope that helps!


Real Estate Investor · Palm Harbor, Florida


I just spoke with the man I paid $2K seven years ago to "mentor" me. I can call him any day and ask for his help, however, my phone call today was to help him by making a video testimonial for his presentation. I agree with the previous posts. There are good ones and bad ones. Do your homework & pick the right one for you. BTW his fees are only $2495.00 (only $495 increase in 7 years) for unlimited phone access for 6 months but he will always take your call.


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


I don't think you should have to pay your mentor. I've had two in my life and neither one ever asked to be compensated. They wanted to see me grow and succeed. I have a mentor now for real estate investing. I approached him a summit at my college and told him what I was doing and asked if he had any advice. Then he volunteered to be my mentor! He is a very succesful investor in the state of FL, only does million $+ deals (mostly commericial, hotels, th and condo communities) and he didn't ask for any money, just that I work hard. Maybe I got lucky...


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


Personally, I would not hire a mentor. I'm sure that if I found the right person it might jump start my career, but there are disadvantages too.

I have invested time over the years working in the industry, meeting contractors, successful developers, bankers, mortgage advisers, and others. I also read a lot. There many people here that you can learn from their experiences and insights.

I suspect if you need someone to walk you through a deal, you could find many when willing to help with that at local REI clubs or some here that live near you. If you have specific questions, I'm sure that people will jump in to answer them and offer friendly advice.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Thank you guys for responding. My questions to you guys who have a mentor is how do you qualify a mentor? How do you know if the mentor is the one for you? How much is the max you would pay for someone to mentor you?




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