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Real Estate Investor · Jacksonville, Florida


This property consists of 12 units, 2/1, currently no vacancies.
The asking price is $569,000. The annual rent is $86,400, with listed potential rents at $90,000/yr. The units are 3 quads and deeded seperatly.

The property was recently renovated. The seller is a licensed real estate agent willing to accecpt the following financing: contract for deed, owner financing, private, may pay some of the closing cost, wrap around, conventional, and FHA.

I have some questions/comments:
1. Is there an advantage of contract for deed, owner financing, vs. wrap around?
2. I was reading some other post, and someone recommended asking for "Principal Only Mortgage", any thoughts on that?
3. Based on the info, is any more information needed to provide some feedback?
4. Where should I begin?
5. I need assistance with financing the potential portions not held by the owner. I will need a preapproval letter, for the showing appointment?

Any thoughts, comments, or questions; all are welcomed and appreciated. Thanks!
:D


Residential Real Estate Agent · Houston, Texas


Ariane,

When dealing with commercial properties the NOI(Net Operating Income) is the main evaluation factor. Also, if you want help evaluating a deal you have to be sure to put down the number of units, income minus expenses, any rehab needed to be done to the property and an estimated cost, where the property is located and what the seller wants for it. This information would help to do a quick evaluation and let you know if its worth going deeper into.

1. Its hard to ever say if there is an advantage to using one technique over the other because no two deals are ever the same. A technique that may prove to be more beneficial in one situation may not be the most beneficial in another situation. Not enough information here to make that judgement.
2. Are you sure they said "principal only" or "interest only"? No investor in their right mind would ever accept a "principal only" mortgage. That would mean that they're getting 0% interest on their money.
3.Explained above
4. In my opinion you should begin by doing more research and getting more educated about the field of real estate. Like the saying goes "if you think education is expensive, try ignorance".
5. If I were you I would try to get more educated before I start throwing money around trying to acquire property.

Just my .02 I hope this helps.


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


I don't think doing a wrap around would be very wise. For starters, it triggers the DOS clause in the contract. Is the bank willing to overlook that? Secondly, you are making payments to the seller, who in turn makes them to the bank. If he defaults, you lose the property. I would first find out how much of the property is currently financed, if at all.

How much are you going to bring to the closing table? It seems like you are looking to finance whatever the seller can't finance. If that is the case how do you plan to pay for repairs or capital expenses? Also, the numbers you list are pretty much a best case scenario and WILL get worse.

As it stands, you need to assume 50% expenses for the property. That leaves you $3600 per month NOI. If you put zero down, you'd be underwater $983 ( 7% @ 30years) per month, so this doesn't look like the best deal using the figures you provided.


Real Estate Lender · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


The most you can afford on a monthly mortgage payment is 2400/month and still make $100/door. That would put you somewhere in the 350k to 400k purchase price


· Houston, Texas


Originally posted by Ariane Randolph
This property consists of 12 units, 2/1, currently no vacancies.
The asking price is $569,000. The annual rent is $86,400, with listed potential rents at $90,000/yr. The units are 3 quads and deeded seperatly.

The property was recently renovated. The seller is a licensed real estate agent willing to accecpt the following financing: contract for deed, owner financing, private, may pay some of the closing cost, wrap around, conventional, and FHA.

I have some questions/comments:
1. Is there an advantage of contract for deed, owner financing, vs. wrap around?
2. I was reading some other post, and someone recommended asking for "Principal Only Mortgage", any thoughts on that?
3. Based on the info, is any more information needed to provide some feedback?
4. Where should I begin?
5. I need assistance with financing the potential portions not held by the owner. I will need a preapproval letter, for the showing appointment?

Any thoughts, comments, or questions; all are welcomed and appreciated. Thanks!
:D

Ariane,

I suggest instead of thinking about how to structure a deal, check to see if the deal pencils first.

Annual Figures

Gross rents $86,400
NOI:........... $43,200 using 50% rule
Net............ $43,200
Profit/door ($14,400) ($1,200/month * 12 months)
Debt service $28,800

Max you could pay is $340k and still achieve your $100/door goal AND that's with very aggressive occupancy assumed (100%).


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


I think Corey nailed with his comment on item #4.

Based on the information provided I don't see a motivated seller... just a very smart investor hoping for a greater fool to come along and pick up his deal for above full-retail. At this price the ony way this property would cashflow would be with a very high downpayment... killing the ROI.

Ariane... I would bet that what attracted you to this deal was the fact that the seller would consider carrying a second. While this may get the deal done for him... it only exposes you to very high levels of unacceptable risk.


Real Estate Investor · Jacksonville, Florida


Thanks Cory for sparking such great feedback on my topic! I would agree that your #4 comment is key, and a constant for me, as well as everything else that you said.

Thank you to everyone else for your feedback as well. I am going to do more research, followup, and investigating and let you know how it goes.

Thanks Again!


Real Estate Investor · Jacksonville, Florida


On the principal only mortgage, yes I am sure that is what the comment was about. I will search to see if I can find it, but it was here on BP that I read that.


Real Estate Investor · Jacksonville, Florida


I just went back and read over everyone's comments again, and you guys give it straight - keepin it real. I need that. Thanks again!!!!!!


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


A principle only mortgage would work like this, considering you can afford about $30K a year for debt service. "OK, Mr Seller, you want $569K for this property. How about I pay you $2500 a month for 19 years. That's $570K."

That's equivalent in some sense to paying $293K at 8% for 19 years. In some sense meaning that the payment on $293K at 8% for 19 years is about $2500. What's different is that if you try to sell before you're paid it off, you're stuck for the remaining balance.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Residential Real Estate Agent · Houston, Texas


I guess you learn something new everyday. I've never heard of that strategy but it's good to have it in the knowledge bank for future references.

Thanks Jon for the explanation.




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