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Forums » Rental Property Questions & Landlording Issues » HUD reduce section 8 rent!! 110% FMR to 90%

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Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


I received a letter today from the Housing Authority that as part of the "Section 8 cost-saving measures" The rent payment will be reduced from 110% FMR (Fair Market Rent) to 90% of that. Does anyone else received this letter? What are the ramifications?


· OR


I think that the ramifications are that you will be receiving less rent.


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Yes, that's the Duhh part. But I wonder what's next....


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Eddie,

It's sounds like you are going to have to make a choice, whether to accept it for another year or not accept it and tell them to go fly a kite. What kind of rent are we talking about, how much? I currently do not have any Sec 8.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


As my hero The Reverand Wright likes to say: The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost!

All that socialism has a price and I guess The Chosen One has chosen Eddie Ziv to pay the bill! LOL!

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by MikeOH
As my hero The Reverand Wright likes to say: The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost!

All that socialism has a price and I guess The Chosen One has chosen Eddie Ziv to pay the bill! LOL!

Mike


Very funny Mike.... Maybe the chosen one is not so socialist after all. And, by the way if I'm not mistaken, you will share the bill with me... :wink:

Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by Tom C
Eddie,

It's sounds like you are going to have to make a choice, whether to accept it for another year or not accept it and tell them to go fly a kite. What kind of rent are we talking about, how much? I currently do not have any Sec 8.


I haven't spoke with my PM yet to get the whole picture, but right now my section 8 pays $650-$685 per month. I think that it is a 100% of the rent.

Real Estate Investor · Bayou Vista, Texas


I hope that is not the case. I have avoided section 8, but am working on rehabbing 2 places now and was planning on doing section 8. I EVEN PAID FOR SCREENS!! For all of the extra hoops that they make you jump through the extra money is barley worth it.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Very funny Mike.... Maybe the chosen one is not so socialist after all. And, by the way if I'm not mistaken, you will share the bill with me...


NOPE! I haven't gotten anything from Section 8 saying that my payments are going down. In fact, I just got paperwork for 2 recerts today and enclosed was the normal letter instructing me to get in my raise requests more than 60 days prior to the recert date.

So, you're on your own Eddie. The Chosen One just wants YOUR money this time!

Mike

P.S. It takes a village to pay for the collective good - unless you've got a RICH LANDLORD like Eddie who is willing to foot the bill! Thanks for your contribution Eddie!!! LOL!


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


I think it really depends on the jurisdiction and the relative health of it to carry on the program. I own some stuff in Memphis and they are reducing by 15% there as well effective 8/1. That leaves you with the choice to either take less rent, or kick out the tenants. I tend to think that with the extra money HUD will have to spend on relocations, inspections, etc. from the move outs, that they will end up spending more that they think they are going to save by reducing pay outs.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I'm seriously looking at buying some sfrs in Tampa area. Anyone know if that area is affected by this section 8 change? I was hopeing to FINALLY get some deals closed with another BP member. Now, that may be in jeopardy. Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Thanks Eddie I really appreciate you taking one for the team.


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by MikeOH
Very funny Mike.... Maybe the chosen one is not so socialist after all. And, by the way if I'm not mistaken, you will share the bill with me...


NOPE! I haven't gotten anything from Section 8 saying that my payments are going down. In fact, I just got paperwork for 2 recerts today and enclosed was the normal letter instructing me to get in my raise requests more than 60 days prior to the recert date.

So, you're on your own Eddie. The Chosen One just wants YOUR money this time!

Mike

P.S. It takes a village to pay for the collective good - unless you've got a RICH LANDLORD like Eddie who is willing to foot the bill! Thanks for your contribution Eddie!!! LOL!

Oh Mike, you devil you... You already know, it's just a matter of time... They're coming to take you a way Uh Hu....
You'll continue your rant about those damn socialists ( for the next 8 years,.,,) and quietly (Or not so quietly) you'll continue collecting that socialist section 8 rent. After all hypocrisy would never get between you and your dollar, right?
Boy, I'm trying not to hijack my own thread and just when I wanted to get out, you keep pulling me back in.... :wink:

Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Please do correct me, but as homowner you can choose to accept or reject any lease holder. The rent is up to them to make not matter what it is. If section 8 only pays xxx amount then the tenant must pay the rest.

This should not affect your rent rates, only what section 8 will pay.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Not where I've been buying. It is expressly AGAINST the rules for tenant to pay extra rent above the subsidy the govt is paying. Some owners have done the following. Say the rent is 900 and section 8 is only 700. Owner is "renting the range for 200 per month, circumventing the system. I don't choose to do that. Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Rich is right. The HAP contract specifically prohibits charging the tenant more than the maximum authorized rent. Doing so can get you in hot water since you're not only violating your HAP contract, but you're also cheating a poor unfortunate (lazy) government assistance (handout) recipient!

The tenant may be required to pay part of the rent authorized by Section 8, but that has nothing to do with charging more than they are authorized.

You'll continue your rant about those damn socialists ( for the next 8 years,.,,) and quietly (Or not so quietly) you'll continue collecting that socialist section 8 rent. After all hypocrisy would never get between you and your dollar, right?

Yes, I am certainly taking Section 8 tenants because the government is essentially forcing me to do that. They are a part of the market and if I want to efficiently fill up my units, I've got to take Section 8. I am also allowing the government to "weatherize" my rentals. I'm being forced to pay the money, and I want as much back as possible.

Think of it this way, I am not in favor of our socialist government and the way that are wasting money. I am very unhappy every six months when I write a 5-figure property tax check!!! However, even though I'm not in favor of the taxes they are taking from me, I still pay it. Yes, that too may be hypocritical, but I'm still paying my taxes.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia , Pennsylvania


Well you know Section 8 is welfare for land lords, I will be glad to see the entire program ended. I do 90% low income, and never a section 8 voucher will I take. These folks are for the most part welfare cheats. Maybe now it will pay for land lords to screen these folks a bit more. They ruin every neighborhood they enter, the Fed has to make a rule on how many vouchers can be used in one area.

What the big O is doing here is good, you will now have to get the tenant to kick in some more money, maybe cut back to a 42 inch TV from the 60 inch they wanted to buy, or do without a cable movie once a week or so.

Come on 110% FMR and the Fed sends you the check, to rent to these losers? Welcome the real world of low income rentals.

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Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by MikeOH
Rich is right. The HAP contract specifically prohibits charging the tenant more than the maximum authorized rent. Doing so can get you in hot water since you're not only violating your HAP contract, but you're also cheating a poor unfortunate (lazy) government assistance (handout) recipient!

The tenant may be required to pay part of the rent authorized by Section 8, but that has nothing to do with charging more than they are authorized.

You'll continue your rant about those damn socialists ( for the next 8 years,.,,) and quietly (Or not so quietly) you'll continue collecting that socialist section 8 rent. After all hypocrisy would never get between you and your dollar, right?


Yes, I am certainly taking Section 8 tenants because the government is essentially forcing me to do that. They are a part of the market and if I want to efficiently fill up my units, I've got to take Section 8. I am also allowing the government to "weatherize" my rentals. I'm being forced to pay the money, and I want as much back as possible.

Think of it this way, I am not in favor of our socialist government and the way that are wasting money. I am very unhappy every six months when I write a 5-figure property tax check!!! However, even though I'm not in favor of the taxes they are taking from me, I still pay it. Yes, that too may be hypocritical, but I'm still paying my taxes.

Mike



That's OK, Mike. As long as we both agree that you are a hypocrite. BTW, you take section 8 by choice and if you had the choice, you wouldn't pay taxes. You just don't want to be a tenant yourself. .. of the federal government penitentiary that is...

Real Estate Investor · Ohio


you will now have to get the tenant to kick in some more money, maybe cut back to a 42 inch TV from the 60 inch they wanted to buy, or do without a cable movie once a week or so.

What's wrong with you Dennis? If you were a little more on the ball, you would know that deadbeats have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to a 60 inch TV; broadband cable; and an IPhone! Are you trying to violate their rights? 42 inch tv - that's an OUTRAGE!

Mike (Let's Share the Wealth!)


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by MikeOH
As my hero The Reverand Wright likes to say: The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost!

All that socialism has a price and I guess The Chosen One has chosen Eddie Ziv to pay the bill! LOL!

Mike


LMAO!!!!! That just made my day.

And no - just because one area's section 8 office lowers the rents they will pay doesn't mean it'll happen anywhere else. That's the beauty of domestic triage in the US.

In all fairness to Eddie though - if this is on his out of state properties, it shouldn't hurt him too bad. From what I've read about his out of state buying, he regularly meets/exceeds the 2% rule in his purchasing so I'm guessing he'll absorb these cuts and be fine.


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