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Before I start placing bandit signs anywhere does anyone have any idea on legalities of where it is and isn't ok to place them.... I live in TX so maybe that might help in the answer if anyone has had dealings in this area on this subject... Thank you very much in advance....

John Lindsey


Real Estate Investor · New York, New York


I don't know the laws in TX, but one of the reasons they are called bandit signs is that they are illegal. People place them knowing that they will eventually get taken. They get what time out of them that they can.



Thankyou for the heads up...


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


So, I was listening to a podcast the other day and the speaker was talking about when he started out. He put up some signs, and got a call. The caller said he had a property and wanted to meet the speaker at the property. The speaker arrived at the property expecting a good deal. The caller said " Hi, I'm from code enforcement..."

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, Delaware


The delaware state police call the number on the bandit sign if reported, around here. They warn its illegal, and tell you to knock it off. Its rare to see too many around here, because they dont last long.


Developer · Las Cruces, New Mexico


I'm a newbie and just bought my first set of 200 bandit signs. Last night, Friday, we placed our first 30 signs at key intersections of our target area and at a couple of on ramps to the freeway leading into downtown, so I'm positive they are getting tons of exposure. I'm a little discouraged because I haven't received a single phone call and I'm under the impression that the life of a bandit sign is mostly weekends. The signs I put up are 18x24, white letters with a red background that read:

WE BUY
HOUSES!!
1-800-BUY-KWIK

We purchased a lincense to use the vanity number in hopes that we could generate more calls. To be quite honest, I'm feel discouraged that I haven't gotten a single call, but I don't know the effectiveness of bandit signs and approximately how many calls they generate a week, I would love to hear from experienced investors about their stories with bandit signs and what kind of responses they get. Also knowing where you place at intersections, as in telephone poles or stakes, facing traffic as it leaves to work from the target area or facing traffic as it comes home from work, what is too many signs and what isn't enough, etc.

I really look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.

Nevouis Newbie



So your plan to make money is to start off by illegally placing signs to distract motorists & perhaps kill someone?


· Torrance, CA


and perhaps kill someone?

You know, that's probably exactly what he was thinking when he placed the sign! " I'm gunna kill someone!"
Cmon man, if we died whenever someone placed a sign on the road we'd all be dust by now. Give him a break.

Having said that, I don't support using bandit signs. It is illegal. Besides, the first thing I think when I see them is, " probably a scam, or someone who wants to rip me off."


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gideon625

Perhaps you should consider the cost of your bandit signs a learning experience.

Ralph


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by "bamalucky"
So your plan to make money is to start off by illegally placing signs to distract motorists & perhaps kill someone?

As the others have said, give the guy a break. If distracting motorists was an issue, then it would be illegal to have any kind of billboard in view of cars.

As for the legality of the signs, if your locality has laws against using them, then you are taking a risk by placing them. Always find out what is okay where you are and follow the laws.

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Putting signs on the right of way is illegal in all 50 states.There's no need to check local laws.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Don't believe that's true. Otherwise, you wouldn't have Coldwell Banker and REMax putting signs up on every corner every weekend. It is a local regulation, and some locales allow real estate related signs on weekends. Not defending bandit signs, which almost always are code violations. But, I don't think this blanket statement is correct.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Originally posted by "Wheatie"
Don't believe that's true. Otherwise, you wouldn't have Coldwell Banker and REMax putting signs up on every corner every weekend. It is a local regulation, and some locales allow real estate related signs on weekends. Not defending bandit signs, which almost always are code violations. But, I don't think this blanket statement is correct.

$500 to you free no strings if you can find a state where putting snipe/bandit signs on the right of way is legal.When you find a state,let me know.I plan to fly in & put 1 on every stop sign,red light & mile marker sign.

I don't care what your local govt allows you to get away with.State law is state law! There's also federal laws that deal with putting them on Interstates like some guy said he did.


Developer · Las Cruces, New Mexico


I didn't really appreciate all the negative comments! And thanks to those that came to the defense. I will look into the laws in my city about bandit signs since I really hadn't given that much thought. I've seen bandit signs around town so I didn't think to look into the legality of them. I've read that other cities just take them down.

Also, while we were out placing the signs, a cop stopped right behind us (it was late, dark, and our car hazard lights were flashing) and asked us what we were doing. I almost took a dump in my pants. I was only able to get in, " good evening officer," when he realized what we were doing and he responded, " You guys just putting up signs?" I responded yes and he turned his red lights off and said, " You have a good night and be safe" as he drove off.

That said, no one really has answered my question. In fact, it seems like the only ones that posted comments either have never used or no longer use bandit signs. That's like me trying to get good advice on my new real estate investing business from people who have never invested or sort of tried it but didn't really go anywhere with it.

I've done some online searches regarding bandit signs, and although I didn't see comments directly addressing what I had questions over (thus my reason for posting the question at BiggerPockets), it seems as though there are legitimate investors using bandit signs.

So if you have negative comments, please refrain from posting. Now, if you have had negative experiences with bandit signs, please do share so that we can all learn, which is why we are all here. I really hope someone does put more useful information such as, " check to see if they are legal in your city" .



I see you are in Las Cruces NM..Here's your local sign ordinance

http://www.las-cruces.org/cd/Dev%20Codes/CH036%20-%20Chapter%2036%20%20SIGNS%205-18-06.pdf

35 pages long

Signs in Las Cruces must comply to the Sign Code. A sign permit is required for all types of signs within the City.

http://www.zianet.com/nmiri/e_jail.html

Las Cruces businessman Farrell Thurston, appears to be headed to jail for violations of the sign ordinance. I am not kidding. The Las Cruces sign ordinance was written so that the penalty for violation is incarceration in jail.


Developer · Las Cruces, New Mexico


Very interesting article, although I think it was geared at how onerous some laws are in this state. I know Farrell Thurston because my day job is in the real estate development business. That said, I live and work in Las Cruces, but doesn't necessarily mean I am starting to invest in Las Cruces. In fact, I'm investing in a completely different state, Texas.

How is it that realtors and politicians always use signs? If they have special privileges, it reminds me of a law which an older lady refused to obey by sitting in the front of the bus, passed the white (no pun intended) line. This happened 20 or 30 years ago.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Was not my intention to get into a boxing match with you. Just to point out that without knowing all the laws of every town in this country, its tough to make a blanket statement.

Nevertheless, have a look at the Colorado Springs, CO municipal code.

http://66.113.195.234/CO/Colorado%20Springs/index.htm

In particular, 7.4.406: SPECIFIC SIGN CATEGORIES AND STANDARDS:
(the nomenclature is 7.4.406 means Chapter 7, Article 4, Part 4, section 06)
Section J appears to cover this sort of sign:

J.Temporary Signs: Temporary signs shall meet the following requirements for each type of sign. Signs that fall under this category include, but are not limited to, construction signs, real estate signs, model complex signs, political signs, garage sale signs, banners, off premises open house signs, off premises development directory signs, temporary window signs and signs for temporary uses involving retail sales.
1. Real Estate, Construction, Political/Election Signs:
a. Residential Zones: Residentially zoned lots or parcels:
(1) Less than one acre: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign.
(2) One to five (5) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign and one sign per street frontage not to exceed thirty two (32) square feet per sign.
(3) Five (5) to ten (10) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and two (2) signs not to exceed thirty two (32) square feet per sign or one sign not to exceed sixty four (64) square feet.
(4) Greater than ten (10) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and three (3) signs not to exceed thirty two (32) square feet per sign or two (2) signs not to exceed forty eight (48) square feet per sign or one sign not to exceed ninety six (96) square feet.
b. Other Zones: All other zoned lots or parcels:
(1) Less than one acre: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and one sign per street frontage not to exceed thirty two (32) square feet per sign.
(2) One to five (5) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and one sign per street frontage not to exceed sixty four (64) square feet per sign.
(3) Five (5) to ten (10) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and two (2) signs not to exceed sixty four (64) square feet per sign or one sign not to exceed one hundred twenty eight (128) square feet.
(4) Greater than ten (10) acres: Five (5) signs per street frontage not to exceed six (6) square feet per sign, and three (3) signs not to exceed sixty four (64) square feet per sign or two (2) signs not to exceed one hundred twenty eight (128) square feet per sign.
c. Removal:
(1) Real estate signs are to be removed fourteen (14) days after sale, lease or removal of the property from the market.
(2) Construction signs are to be removed within fourteen (14) days after the issuance of a certificate of occupancy or final building inspection.
(3) Political/election signs are to be removed within fourteen (14) days after the election to which they pertain.
d. Placement:
(1) Landowner permission is required before a temporary sign may be placed on, or within the right of way in front of private, or publicly owned, property in accord with subsection 7.4.405B 1 of this part.
(2) Signs may not be placed within City owned right of way unless a revocable permit has been approved in accord with subsection 3.2.218D of this Code. Signs may not be placed within State roadway right of way without the expressed approval of the Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT).
(3) Signs shall be located in a manner that maintains the corner visibility as required by subsection 7.4.405F of this part.
(4) Signs shall be fastened to a post(s) that is securely imbedded into the ground. No A-frame signs or signs attached to City infrastructure, facilities, poles or signposts are permitted.
(5) Signs shall be placed in a manner that allows for a minimum two foot (2') clearance from the street and/or public sidewalk.

Notice that in d(2), it specifically addresses placement in city owned right of way, and refers to section 3.2.218D. There is no section 3.2.218D, but there is a 3.2.217D that seems relevant:

D.Revocable Permits:
1. Signs And Signposts Prohibited On Public Ways: It shall be unlawful for any person to place upon or construct upon any sidewalk, street, alley or other public way or upon any natural watercourse or improved drainway any sign or signpost except under the terms of a revocable permit as provided in this article. The Code Enforcement Administrator or a designated representative shall be authorized to remove and dispose of any unauthorized sign or signpost without notification to the owner.
2. Exceptions: The provision of subsection D1 of this section shall not apply to any sign or signpost between the hours of one minute after twelve o'clock (12:01) P.M. on Friday through twelve o'clock (12:00) noon on Monday, provided that it is not placed upon any median, park property, utilities easement or pole, but is placed within the public right of way and meets the following minimum standards:
a. The sign does not exceed six (6) square feet in area;
b. The sign is not placed within the downtown core as defined in subsection 7.4.406I6 of this Code; and
c.The sign is not placed in the right of way adjacent to any residentially zoned property, unless express permission is granted by the property owner. (1980 Code; Ord. 94-80; Ord. 98-185; Ord. 01-42; Ord. 03-42; Ord. 03-187; Ord. 07-31)

So, I'm no lawyer, and I've not even bothered to call Colorado Springs code enforcement and discuss the matter. I don't live there and I don't use bandit signs. I had only heard of this because another member here pointed this out. But this sure looks to me like it allows for these signs from noon on Friday until noon on Monday, and allows them in public right of way, with permission from the adjacent owner.

Nor have I attempted to track down any Colorado law that limits these signs. Note, however, that 7.4.406 J d (2) does mention that these are not allowed on state rights of way without express permission from CDOT. That would seem to imply the state does not regulate placement of signs except for state roads.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



You must have missed the part where the guy is putting them up on the interstate & everywhere else with no intention of ever taking them down.Or the part where he was putting up 200.

He's wondering why no one has called..

Let me give you my viewpoint.Those type of signs make me think ,scam,shady,sleazy & get rich quick.I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that when they see them.


Real Estate Consultant · Las Vegas, NV


Bamalucky-- Do you ever have anything positive to say or are you here just to see how many people you can irritate.


Real Estate Investor · Katy, Texas


I am in Houston and I use bandit signs regularly. In fact they are some of my best marketing. You have to place them in places where you are targeting. I do not ever place them on interstates, mostly in or around the neighborhoods that I am targeting.

The worst thing in Houston right now that can happen to you is you get them taken away. If you do and you receive no calls, then just don't do em anymore. I will continue to do them as long as their are not any fines for em in Houston. Right now the law is tied up in court because many small businesses are suing Houston or Harris county over them for some reason and everything is tied up. The worst they do is take your signs up.

Just be prepared to have someone call you *****ing about the signs. It doesn't happen a lot, but it will.


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