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Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


I'm thinking about trying wholesaling for a change, but I have one quick scenario for you seasoned wholesalers out there:

You locate a good deal on a property and put it under contract. You start putting out bandit signs to get bites, and you start call people on your existing buyers list, but right now nobody wants that specific property. What now? Do you close on it yourself or forfeit the earnest money? Is this a rare scenario in wholesaling?


Real Estate Investor · Naperville (Chicago), Illinois


Hey John,

I'm still kind of new to wholesaling, but I'll take a crack at it. I'm sure someone who is more seasoned will reply and I'd like to see if we'll be on the same page.

I believe that much of this scenario depends on the type of contract that you use and the time that you allow to pass by.

For example, if you use a flex contract, it allows the seller to market their house while you market it as well. So if they find a buyer before you, no harm no foul, except for the time you've spent.

On a straight option contract as well as a flex option contract, most seasoned investors will use a clause that will allow them to backout of the contract in the event they are unable to wholesale. One of the main ones that I have seen is something like:

"This contract is contingent upon buyer's inspection period of xx days."

If you haven't gotten the house assigned by the end of the period specified, then you can advise the seller that the home did not pass inspection by your "partner" and any EMD is refundable.

With that said, from what I've seen, most investors here don't give an earnest money deposit. Their contracts are specifically written that way. Or, if they do give a deposit, it is minimal, such as $10 or $100.

Regarding how often this sort of thing happens, I'll leave that for someone who has a good amount of experience to answer for you.

Either way, good luck in your new ventures.

Danielle C.


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Thanks for taking the time to share that insight.

I'm trying to wholesale bank-owned foreclosures. I'm just looking for different ways to back out if I get an REO under contract and can't sell it to an investor. The inspection clause seems like a way out, but does anyone know how much an inspection clause effects the bank's decision to accept your offer? I'm sure an "as-is" offer is more likely to be accepted, right?


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


John-

An inspection clause gives you the right to inspect the property within a certain period of time and if you find something that you did not originally know (for example, mold in the attic), then you can either ask for further reduction in price or walk away.

The "as-is" addendum simply means you buying the property in its current condition, the bank will not fix anything. It does not remove your right to do your own due diligence.

Now on to your main question. If you cannot find a buyer, its not a good deal and you should know what a good is before you submit an offer on a property. Walking away from banks is a great way to ruin your reputation with banks and agents. If you can't close then you shouldn't accept the offer. But if you want to ignore my advice, and I don't mean that to be rude, most people do ignore me, then you want to employ a 10-day inspection period. I HIGHLY encourage you though to not abuse your inspection period. Your offer to the bank gets weaker when you have a bunch on contingencies in your offer.

If I were you, I would first find my buyers and only put in offers that meet their criteria. This does a few things for you:
1. You can probably put in a stronger offer. For example, your buyer says I want props at 80-90K. You can confidently put in offers in the 70K range know you can close.
2. You do not waste your time or other people time putting in offers on houses that you know you can't close.
3. You build a reputation as someone who closes. The banks know that when you submit an offer its serious and they will take you more serious.

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Great answer Justin - you learn fast!

Having a large and quality buyers list is key to being a successfull wholesaler and just as important, your ability to get quality deals via accepted offers.

Usually, you are allowed 7-10 days of inspection period which allows you time to comeplete that DD (or in your case, find a buyer and that buyer complete their own DD)

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Thanks for your answer Justin.

I was also trying to verify that an "as-is" offer at 50k is more likely to be accepted by the bank as compared to an "10 day inspection clause" offer at the same 50k, correct?


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


John-

A "no inspection contingency" will have more power than an offer with a "inspection contingency". You are buying it "as-is" regardless of whether you do an inspection or not. Make sense?

Your strongest offer will be: No contingencies (inspection, appraisal, financing), large EMD, and quick close (10 days or less).

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
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Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Originally posted by wheelhouse

You are buying it "as-is" regardless of whether you do an inspection or not.


Where I was getting confused at was I thought "as-is" meant that the inspection contingency was waived (along with everything else). From what I comprehend from your answer, you can write "as-is" in the contract AND write in an inspection contingency?

Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Where I was getting confused at was I thought "as-is" meant that the inspection contingency was waived (along with everything else).

No, you as a buyer still have the right to inspect the property after the contract is accepted (as long as your contract says you can, most RE state contracts have these as an default, in AZ its 10 days). It is called your due diligence period. You can hire a professional inspector and appraiser to ensure the property you are getting is in the shape you "think" it is and worth what you think it is. If the inspector finds foundation issues, mold issues, termite issues, etc you have the right to ask for a reduction in price or you can walk away if the bank will not reduce it (as longs as its in your due diligence period).

If your inspector finds these issues, and you decide to purchase, you are buying it "as-is" meaning simply, the bank will not fix it, you get to fix it.

Banks have "as-is" addendum's because they are banks and know very little about the property. The bank has never lived in the property, they cannot disclose anything to you because they don't know what to disclose. They do not know if there are foundation cracks, bugs in the walls, etc. Hence they sell them "as-is." But you, as the buyer, have every right to know what "as-is" means for that particular property.

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Thanks for that Justin. By the way, I love the layout of your website. Who designed it?


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


A couple of buddies of mine in town here. PM me and I will give you their emails.

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Real Estate Investor · Riverside, California


John C:
I too am just starting out at wholesaling. The thought of going to a back to back closing and not have a buyer was a great fear of mine too both in lost time and money as well as hurting my reputation. I ran an ad in Craigs List and within 4 days got 3 buyers. They told me exactly what they wanted (in terms of how much rehab they were willing to do, what areas, and how much they want to spend. I have to size up the costs of rehab when I see the properties and make sure my offer to the bank is enough for my buyers to make money asa well as me. If the buyers don't think they will make money then they won't be buyers and then Im stuck with a property.

I was wondering though what contigencies to put in a offer on an REO so your post and thd subsequent answers were great! What Wheelhouse said about the inspections is certainly educating. Good luct. I am anxious to see how it goes for you.

Doug


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Some points to be clear on.

The banks will give you an inspection period in most cases, even with a cash offer. The length will not always be what you ask for; the one I just closed had a 5 day inspection period.

To back out based on the inspection, the inspection report from a certified inspector must be provided. Getting an inspection and report from a certified inspector will cost you a few dollars too.


Rehabber · Fort Myers, Naples, Florida


Wow Steve,

I did not realize that an inspection report was needed to back out.

I have not dealt with an REO property yet (I have the same concerns John has), but this is the first I have heard of this requirement. Is this required everywhere?


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Well, the bank does not want anyone to back out, so the criteria for backing out is from a professional inspection report. Here is an excerpt from a bank addendum:

Upon the return of Buyer's deposit, the contract shall be null and void, with no further recourse to either party. If the Buyer does not obtain and deliver the results of said inspection, to the Seller, within the time period required herein, the Buyer shall waive any right to void the Agreement under this paragraph and shall not be entitled to the return of the deposits paid herein.In the event Buyer fails to provide the Seller with a copy of the risk assessment or inspection report,within the prescribed time period, Buyer waives any right to void the contract hereunder.

Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Not all banks have that verbiage in their addendums. It is very rare for me to have to back out of a contract, but when I have, I have never had to provide an inspection report. In fact, in most cases where I did back out, it was my contractor who pointed out some hidden repris that were quite expensive. Due to this, my offer would have to be reduced or I would need to back out. I have never had a problem getting my EMD back. Again, this is in CA, and with the contacts I deal with. This may not be the case for everyone.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · Herndon, Virginia


All of the information has been really useful for me. I am just starting out and had the same questions. Glad to see there are some experienced people sharing their knowledge here.

I have backed out of 2 properties with legitimate inspection issues. All for primary residence purchases. It can come in handy.

Doug, I'd be interested to hear about your ad you put in Craigslist.


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


John,

You can not back out of a bank owned deal. In order for the bank to accept your offer you will need a proof of funds letter and put down $1,000 in earnest money. Typically you get 30 days to close. If you do not close you will loose your money. When buying a bank property make sure to do your inspections before you lock it up. When dealing with the banks your entering the big leagues of investing. You might consider locating FSBO and assign those. There is no risk involved in doing that.

Small_buymemphisnow_stacksCurt Davis, buyMemphisnow.com
E-Mail: crtdavis@gmail.com
Telephone: 901-881-0552
Website: http://www.buymemphisnow.com
Full Service Real Estate Investing in Memphis TN


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


You can not back out of a bank owned deal. In order for the bank to accept your offer you will need a proof of funds letter and put down $1,000 in earnest money. Typically you get 30 days to close. If you do not close you will loose your money. When buying a bank property make sure to do your inspections before you lock it up.
I would have to respectfully disagree Curt. As far as EMD, $1000 will not cut it here in CA on REO properties. $10k is your minimum if you want a fighting chance. 30 day close, yes, and sometimes 10 days and sometimes 14 days, etc. The shorter the escrow, the stronger your offer, the more EMD, the stronger your offer - it is that simple.

As for not getting your EMD back, that is simply not true as I have gotten mine back EVERYTIME. This kind of blanket statement is not valid as every market is different, every bank is differenty, every state is different, and every investors contacts are different.

As for inspections, I never hire the inspector unless I have the property locked up. How much $ woudl I waste if I paid for inspections on every property I was interested in? Way to much is the answer. I lock it up first and my offer is based on my own due diligence, then I hire the inspector and have my contractors come out for hard bids. If those bids and condition reports come back to my satisfaction, then I move forward, if an expensive repair item is uncovered, I either back out or re-negotiate based on the findings.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


John,

You can not back out of a bank owned deal. In order for the bank to accept your offer you will need a proof of funds letter and put down $1,000 in earnest money. Typically you get 30 days to close. If you do not close you will loose your money. When buying a bank property make sure to do your inspections before you lock it up. When dealing with the banks your entering the big leagues of investing. You might consider locating FSBO and assign those. There is no risk involved in doing that.

Small_buymemphisnow_stacksCurt Davis, buyMemphisnow.com
E-Mail: crtdavis@gmail.com
Telephone: 901-881-0552
Website: http://www.buymemphisnow.com
Full Service Real Estate Investing in Memphis TN




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