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Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


I am Newbie and getting different information on how to do this deal...please advise, before I commit tonight.

I have a property I just looked at with the realtor. There is no mortgage on this property, clean title. The property needs to be sold very quickly before it goes into probate.

List price is $79,000.00.
ARV $173-194,000.00
No Mortgage
Cost of Repairs $35-40,000.00
My Suggested Contract Offer: $27,000.00 to the seller
My Suggested Contract offer to the rehabber - $112,450.00 (65% of the retail value)

Which is the best way to go with this contract?
Assignment and/or Double Closing?


Real Estate Investor · Manassas Park, Virginia


Always assign the contract if you can. I am not an expert in wholesaling yet, but I know about it enough as well as double closing. Unless you have money built up already, to do a double closing, you will need your own funds, or a trans funder, which depending on who that is, the fees can be reasonable, or they can be high.

Also keep in mind, that an investor will do their own due diligence, and they will look at the price they are getting it for, how much they are putting into the house, and how much they can sell it for. You might offer it at $112,450 but since you have a $85,000+ difference of what you are paying for it (in a sense) and what you will be selling it for, I would offer it at your price, but do OBO as well.

Let us know how it goes for you.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Its worth about $72K to a rehabber:

70% of $173K ARV = $121K
$121K less $40K rehab = $71K

If its listed at $79K and is worth $133K as is ($173K-$40) what makes you think the seller will accept $27K?

Trying to pull down $85K (less costs) on this one deal seem pretty outrageous to me. See if you can get it for $60-65K, sell for about $70K and make a decent profit.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Honolulu, Hawaii


I am interested in marketing to probate leads. Can you (or someone) explain the reason given for 'needing to be sold before going into probate?' I thought this is not something you can avoid by selling before probate starts. But I am not well educated on the subject, appreciate any input.


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


Thank you for the response back. The seller is only asking for $27,000.00. The seller is in a nursing home and the property has been vacant for 2 years. The house is free and clear. They want to dump this property and willing to let it go for $30,000.00. So are you still saying to sell it for $60,000.00. I am located in Maryland and the investor's here is 65%.


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


The property is worth now 79,000.00. After repairs to bring the property to Market Value it will be work $173,000.00. I just recently had (3) Estimated Cost Repairs done on this property.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Ah, that makes more sense. You did write "List price is $79,000.00", which is what confused me.

Get the property under contract and forward it to your buyers. Assuming all your numbers are accurate, this looks like a very good deal. You have quite a bit of margin to play with, so even if you have to drop the price, you can still make a very nice payday.

Since is a individual seller, you should just be able to do an assignment. Make the contract with the seller and be sure it allows assignment. In the CO contract, there's a paragraph that addresses assignability and has a checkbox for "is" or "is not" assignable. Then, do an assignment contract with your end buyer. Take it all to a title company and close.

If you get pushback that you're making too much, you might have to double close. If you can find a title company that will do it, you can use the buyer's funds to fund your purchase. If not, find a transactional lender.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


Thank you Jon...I will let you know how everything went! Thank you again...


Real Estate Investor · Manassas Park, Virginia


I agree with Jon. Makes more sense now. Congrats!


Real Estate Investor · Albuquerque, New Mexico


wow what a deal .. 27k the seller is willing to sell, for a house with an ARV of 173k? I'd sell the contract for 100k, and than double close it, get a NICE pay check. I read u always wanna double close anything over 30k and not do assignment fee's so that the investor you are working with doesn't decide to "re-negotiate". Best of luck, make that money!


Real Estate Investor · Oxnard, California


Originally posted by Matt James
wow what a deal .. 27k the seller is willing to sell, for a house with an ARV of 173k? I'd sell the contract for 100k, and than double close it, get a NICE pay check. I read u always wanna double close anything over 30k and not do assignment fee's so that the investor you are working with doesn't decide to "re-negotiate". Best of luck, make that money!

Best not go get greedy and burn bridges with good buyers. I would much rather make a multiple small deals that will eventually total more than a single greedy deal that will ruin a relationship.

Great job Thomasina. Please keep us updated. BTW, just curious, how did you locate this deal?


Real Estate Investor · Manassas Park, Virginia


Originally posted by Matt James
wow what a deal .. 27k the seller is willing to sell, for a house with an ARV of 173k? I'd sell the contract for 100k, and than double close it, get a NICE pay check. I read u always wanna double close anything over 30k and not do assignment fee's so that the investor you are working with doesn't decide to "re-negotiate". Best of luck, make that money!

This is true if you have the funds to fund the A to B side, but if not, why bring in a trans funder and have to pay all their fees when you don't have to.

Again, I am no expert in wholesales, but I am no virgin in real estate either, and by saying that, investors do not care what you make on the deal, just what they make, and as long as anything fits their profit criteria, they are interested.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Tom, with that big of a profit spread for the wholesaler, you can bet the buyer will take issue and most likely think they are being scammed.
I would highly recommend a double close for this one and while I agree that transactional funding would cost some money, the spread is so large on this deal it is well worth it to the investor buyer, especially since the purchase is only $27k, the fees should be under $2k. To make $40k or more using none of your own money is a spectacular grandslam deal.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


I would never scammed anyone. I am a newbie in this type of area and have questioned everyone and everybody before I took on the contract. The property has been emptied for two years with no one attending to the property. The owner has appointed family members who live in another state as Power of Attorney to handle this sale. They do not have the means to keep the property nor do they want the property. Their options were to try and sell it in its condition or let it go into probate. The offer of $30,000.00 did not offend the seller(s) in anyway considering properties in the area has been purchased by other investors for far less and sold. They just want to do away with the property.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


I would never scammed anyone. I am a newbie in this type of area and have questioned everyone and everybody before I took on the contract
You are getting defensive here unnecessarily as you are taking my post out of context. What i was trying to point out is that your end buyer's "perception" could be that they are getting scammed if they knew you were making $60k plus on the deal without doing any work or repairs.
Perception is often taken over reality and as such, I recommended that if you do this deal, to do a double close and NOT an assignment of contract.

I would also guess that your exit value is high, particularly since you have mentioned that other properties have sold to other investors for under $30k. Unless they all need $100k in work, something is not right here. I could be wrong, but if you can find deals for $30k that need another $40k in repairs and can sell at $175k, I am moving to your market as that would be an all-in cost of 41% of the exit value.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


I am sorry, I wasn't trying to sound defensive at all:-).

I am in Maryland. Some of the properties in the area where this property is located, you can get for $31,000.000 to 51,000.00, I haven't seen any sold for more than $55,000. I do not know the conditions of the other properties in the area. Many were foreclosed homes and have sold in the range of $160,000.00 - $175,000.00.

I am a Loss Mitigator and I deal with Real Estate Short Sale Transactions and Modifications all day. One of my agents presented this deal to me. Before I took it, I did some homework, asked alot of questions, contacted others who are in the business to get some feedback. Made an offer to the Realtor's client and they accepted. I did submit along with the offer a copy of the Cost of Estimated report I had done by a professional licensed contractor and the realtor sent the comps to show as well to the seller(s) to show what the properties are actually selling for in that area. I didn't mean to sound defensive...this is my first time doing a wholesale deal....and I am still learning this process.

I will let you know who this turned out...

Thanks for the response...again, I apologize, I did not want to come off defensive.


Real Estate Investor · Manassas Park, Virginia


Originally posted by Will Barnard
Tom, with that big of a profit spread for the wholesaler, you can bet the buyer will take issue and most likely think they are being scammed.
I would highly recommend a double close for this one and while I agree that transactional funding would cost some money, the spread is so large on this deal it is well worth it to the investor buyer, especially since the purchase is only $27k, the fees should be under $2k. To make $40k or more using none of your own money is a spectacular grandslam deal.

I stand corrected. I can see where you are coming from. Another thing to look for then would be a transfunder, so if and when we come across properties like Ms. Singleton, we could just do a transfunder and do a double closing.

Thanks for explaining why it would be a good idea do use one in this scenario.


Real Estate Investor · Manassas Park, Virginia


Originally posted by Thomasina Singleton
I am sorry, I wasn't trying to sound defensive at all:-).

I am in Maryland. Some of the properties in the area where this property is located, you can get for $31,000.000 to 51,000.00, I haven't seen any sold for more than $55,000. I do not know the conditions of the other properties in the area. Many were foreclosed homes and have sold in the range of $160,000.00 - $175,000.00.

I am a Loss Mitigator and I deal with Real Estate Short Sale Transactions and Modifications all day. One of my agents presented this deal to me. Before I took it, I did some homework, asked alot of questions, contacted others who are in the business to get some feedback. Made an offer to the Realtor's client and they accepted. I did submit along with the offer a copy of the Cost of Estimated report I had done by a professional licensed contractor and the realtor sent the comps to show as well to the seller(s) to show what the properties are actually selling for in that area. I didn't mean to sound defensive...this is my first time doing a wholesale deal....and I am still learning this process.

I will let you know who this turned out...

Thanks for the response...again, I apologize, I did not want to come off defensive.

If your a Loss Mitigator, then why not get into REO deals as well? All you have to worry about (which is actually easy) is to find cash buyers for them, like in wholesale properties, submit some addresses to them, they will actually do their own DD, and then make offers on the properties available.

Again, for all I know, you are already, but thought I mention it, since you stated you are a Loss Mitigator.


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


I never once thought about doing any type of these transactions because I was always an skeptic. Like I said, I am a newbie on this side of the deal. After this transaction is completed, I believe I will:-). Thanks


Real Estate Investor · Temple Hills, Maryland


This response is to Chris Guthrie, is was presented to me by a Realtor I do business with.




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