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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Earlier today I had a request that we build a FAQ for birddogs. I'd love to get out and do it, but I'm a bit overwhealmed right now. If anyone can help us put this together, that would be great! Just add on to this thread and we'll get it going!

Thanks in advance for all your help, tips, notes, etc on this!

With that in mind, lets build the BIRD DOG FAQ!

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good questions marvin, a bird dog FAQ would be great


· Alabama


hi
i am Marc
and I am new to all of this
I am eagerly awaiting the resposes to these questions
:)


· Boonies, Pennsylvania


maybe someone who knows what I'm talking about can chime in. I have heard in states like NC, SC you have to pay by the lead or your acting like a Realtor without a license. example you can't pay the bird dog when you close the deal but you can pay them for every lead. maybe $2 a lead. Am I completely wrong?



Originally posted by "Marvin-the-student"
Since I suggested it, I'll start with a few of my own questions regarding Bird Dogging.

Even though I now know what it is,

1. What exactly is being a Bird Dog?
2. Is this legal?
3. What is considered to be very pertinent information needed when becoming a Bird Dog?
4. Should I set up a database of sellers first, or Investors? or should I compile both simutaneously?
5. What is a good professional simple name to use on business cards when trying to get your name out there as a Bird Dog, certainly you don't want to write Bird Dog professional, so what's another good name for it?
6. Starting out what should I charge for my information?
7. How do I get paid exactly?
8. How do I report this tax wise?
9. Could I very well turn this into a business, even though my focus is becoming a RE Investor by learning through this method?
10. When do I get paid from being a Bird Dog? How long should I usually wait for a closing?

Those are just some Q to get started that I personally have. :crying:

I'll do my best to nail the ones I can...but considering I'm relatively new too, don't take it as set in stone:

1. Birddogs are a basically deal finders minus the risk of putting the property under contract. This is an advantage for those who do not want to be stuck with a property that they couldn't assign/sell off. Another is that the amount of due diligence is reduced, since wholesalers tend to do a bit more research since its their neck on the line, thus allowing you to do more deals in the same amount of time. The downside as far as I know is the reduced profit you make from it. Wholesalers tend to make the difference between what they got it under contract for and what they're selling it for, IE if you get a 160k house under contract for 120k (70 cents on the dollar) and sell it for 128k (80 cents on the dollar), you collect an 8k assignment fee, as opposed to the standard 1k that most birddogs get (though higher rates exist).

2. I should hope so. You're basically being a less liable matchmaker of buyer and seller. A step up, as I said, would be as a wholesaler, but you would be more liable since your name would be on the contract.

3. Pretty much everything a standard investor should know, basic market information as well as possible buyers. Network like crazy and you should be fine.

4. Investors/Buyers, since its pretty much useless to get a house and have no one to sell it to. Don't focus on one side though, just make sure you always have a buyer lined up. Remember, lists are your best friend.

5. Depends. I have two sets of cards. One is my attention grabbing " I FIND YOU HOUSES! ANY PRICE ANYWHERE!" card, similar to my " I BUY HOUSES CASH!" card. Then there's my general card which is contact info that basically says " Investor" . People tend to label you once you tell them what you can do for them, so no need to make the card look less professional. Birddogs are basically just investors in a different level of the game.

6. 500 bucks to about 2k are what I've seen. Most larger investment firms have a fixed rate of 1k for anyone that brings them a deal. It varies, but just don't charge too much. My rule of thumb is base it on the deal. If it brings the buyer millions, they won't freak if you charge 5k.

7. You need a specific contract agreement, though I'm not sure which.

8. I believe its capital gains, so uncle sam will steal half of it by the end of the year...*sigh*

9. Yes, if you create a birddog service and have other birddogs working under you. Just make sure it doesn't become a J.O.B. But as a side gig it'd be nice to have the extra cash for very little footwork.

10. Personally I'd want payment at closing, and I'd stipulate that in my contract. You want to be paid as soon as your service is rendered, IE they purchase the deal. Its up to you if you want to babysit the deal afterwards. Personally I would, because it builds stronger business ties, customer service and credibility.

Hope that helped!



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Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, Texas


Jabalinvest, Great overview!

I've never really worked with assisgnments until recently. There appears to be a large market on the net for these types of transactions. Your overview is a very thorough.



Hi,

My name is Chris Trook and I'm a birddog. I have an agreement set up in the form of a Power of Attorney that allows me to put homes under contract under, " name of buyer company" , and or Assigns. The and or Assigns part lets me sign the contract on their behath. Then, the buyer company closes on the property. When it is closed I put it on the market by placing signs in the yard and running newspaper ads (reimbursible of course) Later, when I get a buyer, I send the new buyer info to the company and they send me closing docs. I have the buyer sign them and get them notarized. After that I send docs back to the seller (original buyer) and I get paid a commission.

The good thing is I am able to learn a lot of strategies just by being out there doing business. Check out my webpage to see what I mean.


Real Estate Investor · Reisterstown, PA


:help: How do you make sure you get paid? Because I went to a site that says they pay if they close on a deal you refer, but I didnt receive anything, but I also dont know if they closed. So how is this handled?

Thanks.



Originally posted by "ForeCeeICMD"
:help: How do you make sure you get paid? Because I went to a site that says they pay if they close on a deal you refer, but I didnt receive anything, but I also dont know if they closed. So how is this handled?

Thanks.

Contract contract contracts. Remember, addendums are your best friend. If you stipulate that you are to be paid at closing (or when title is transferred to the buyer), payment should be immediate. Make sure you have a good relationship with the mortgage company/ title company, and they can provide you with the information regarding if they did in fact close. Also, be wary of sites like that, because while they do indeed say that you should always have something in writing, stating that you indeed refer the contract and bind them to an agreement warrenting payment. While I like to think of myself as an optimist, there are plenty of oppurtunist REIs that use such advertising to take advantage of amateur deal hunters without having to pay them.

hope that helped!


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


If anyone has a birddog contract they'd like to share, let me know . . . I can clean it up and post it for others to use . . . I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.

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I think you guys might be blowing this whole birddog thing out of proportion. Like who is really aspiring to become a birddog? I think people are aspiring to become REI's. And if they have to use strategies to raise quick capital then sure they are using those techniques. I just think it's the wrong term and it's unfortunate that it's spread. If I had to do that I'd still try and think of myself as a " REI" who's just trying to raise quick capital for my first real deal. NEVER as a birddog. I think people have to be very careful as to what they label themselves or what others label them. Because you're becoming the thing that you think you are. So if you're a birddog that's what you are, basically someone who's not there yet, who doesn't know the industry and is well pretty pathetic. It's not the right perspective to have. If you wanna get somewhere you always have to work in " reverse" . So if you're wanting to become a millionaire via REI, and you're just getting started then the most important thing you can possibly do is start to tell yourself everyday over and over again that you are infact a " Millionaire Real Estate Investor" . Because what will happen is that your brain cannot interperate that input any differently. It has to act on what it's given. So as you tell yourself you're a " MM REI" you'll more and more start taking the actions that a millionaire would take. And I guarantee if you keep telling yourself that, you will not only build up the believe system that you are one, but you'll also automatically start taking the right actions, eventually leading you to becoming a millionaire. That's how the universe works, it's impossible for that not to happen once you have the believe that you are any certain label. But if you're telling yourself that you're a birddog well gloy-gee that's like telling yourself that you're not very good and that you don't know anything about the industry. It's the absolute wrong label to put on yourself. The perspective that anyone who's a REI should have is that there a multi millionaire. Because like I said you're becoming what you think about and think you are all day long. Once you develop that believe that you are something it can either be your greatest asset or your biggest weakness. So tell yourself that you're a Multi millionaire REI, not a birddog. Because you're becoming what you think of yourself as. Ya, honestly get that term bird dog completely out of your head. It's not who you are. What you are is a multi millionaire REI, who's just raising quick capital in order to fund your first real deal.

Also on a side note to all this...my thought is that I don't know an easier way for someone to reach millionaire status than REI. It's got to be the easiest way out there doesn't it? Like where else can you make six figures even seven per deal. So if you're not thinking in terms of making millions well start too. Because it's not that hard in this industry.


Real Estate Coach · Grand Rapids, Michigan


That is a very interesting perspective on labeling yourself. Its amazing how much labels can affect people without them knowing it.

There is a great technique that I have personally had success with for getting around mental blocks that keep you from success, it involves sitting down in a quiet area with a pen and paper, and saying aloud or too yourself whatever it is that you want to be, in this case you might say to yourself, " IM a real estate investor, or real estate millionaire" , then comes the interesting part. Your mind will many times start spewing venom at you like it does not want you too succeed. It iwill be saying thing like, " your not even good at math" or " You dont even own your own home" .

This is all of your conditioning coming up. Conditioning is no more than all of your experiences with what people have told you about yourself in life. Things you may not necessarily believe, but your subconsious started its programming without you. Take this oppurtunity to let your mind vomit out all of the garbage that people have told you about yourself , and get it all out on paper, that way you can go about addressing the issues that you may not have even knew you had.

To some people it may sound hokey, but the mind needs to be trained like any other part of your body.



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Would foreclosure homes be a niche market? It would be forseable someone could really clean up helping burdened families out of a dept crisis.



Kpowell....sell to the market of buyers who " have money" . They're much easier to deal with and won't waste your time.

Also...

If you wanna to change your finances it takes work. The main thing you have to do more than anything else is start making lots of offers. That's it. Lots of low ball offers. So get acquainted with your local online MLS. Look at properties daily, make at least 1 low ball offer each day. It's like fishing if you bait that hook just right and keep casting, you will get a bite, and you should be able to reel it in. And when you get it in your boat, it might be a really big fish! Then just keep casting out. But if you're sitting around and thinking about it and not taking the key action of making offers, casting your reel, then you won't catch any dinner. So when you go hungry and wonder why? That's one main reason.

And if you're willing to do that then start telling yourself that you're a millionaire. Doesn't matter one bit what's in your bank account or what you have or where you came from right now. What matters is if you can say that to yourself. Your mind will have trouble with that though. But say it anyway. Because what you say about yourself will manifest itself. Then one day you'll be casting and you'll latch onto a deal that makes you five figures, then you'll caste out and you'll eventually get a deal netting you six figures, then again cast, and you'll get a deal making you seven figures.


Homeowner · Teaneck, NJ


This is very inspiring. I've been telling myself that " I'm a MM REI" recently. I even put it on my phone. Like you all said, sometimes your mind plays tricks on you and almost put limitations, but I've been fighting against it. I'm determined to make it big in REI! There is just no " if ands or buts" about it!

Sometimes you think it's hard, but I'm going to be getting out there and seeing what I can do. I'm going to talk to everyone I can and see how they can help me...I'm ready to stop talking and start doing. My dream is to own several apartment buildings, one of them located in Harlem!



It's crazy the limitations your mind places on you! One thing I realized just over the course of the last few days is how in any persons life it's odd in that some areas you can feel limitless and have an extremely good understanding of. While other areas you struggle, and place huge limitations on your capcity in those areas due to lack of knowledge, doubting yourself or whatever. So it's really sort of been a wake up for me to look at all the areas of my life and see what areas I've placed huge limitations in and really start to examine those areas and figure out how I can turn them around.


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