Looking for CPA with Note Investing experience

Looking for CPA with Note Investing experience

Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 3 votes

I have been purchasing notes for the last 15 years. Learned from a bank, then went on to create a whole division in $2b sized bank, back when had $150mm. I started doing it on my own about 4 years and have acquired a large portfolio of loans. When I first started, I didn't know much about the tax side so I just accepted my CPA claiming I was in the "Mortgage Lending Business" and have paid SE Tax for 4 years. Well, through hours of research, I realized that the way I conducted my note investing, it all aligned with being passive rather than active/dealer. My CPA is a solid, smart individual. But has no experience in real estate note investing. He has begrudgingly agreed to amend my last two years tax returns to claim my income on schedule e rather than schedule c, thereby bypassing the SE tax. I am having to walk him through tax code and I'm exhausted. Does anyone know a good CPA WITH note investing experience? No one in Fort Worth seems to have any experience and everyone is playing it very conservatively. Please, I need help! Haha

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Brian Byrd

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Investor · Member since 2024 · 187 posts · 64 votes
7mo
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I have been purchasing notes for the last 15 years. Learned from a bank, then went on to create a whole division in $2b sized bank, back when had $150mm. I started doing it on my own about 4 years and have acquired a large portfolio of loans. When I first started, I didn't know much about the tax side so I just accepted my CPA claiming I was in the "Mortgage Lending Business" and have paid SE Tax for 4 years. Well, through hours of research, I realized that the way I conducted my note investing, it all aligned with being passive rather than active/dealer. My CPA is a solid, smart individual. But has no experience in real estate note investing. He has begrudgingly agreed to amend my last two years tax returns to claim my income on schedule e rather than schedule c, thereby bypassing the SE tax. I am having to walk him through tax code and I'm exhausted. Does anyone know a good CPA WITH note investing experience? No one in Fort Worth seems to have any experience and everyone is playing it very conservatively. Please, I need help! Haha

Thanks,

Brian Byrd

Brian, have you spoken with John Hyre?  We will be speaking with him on an upcoming podcast soon but he would recommend using schedule B instead. 

 JKP

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  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 187 posts · 64 votes
    7mo
    Quote from @Brian Byrd:

    I have been purchasing notes for the last 15 years. Learned from a bank, then went on to create a whole division in $2b sized bank, back when had $150mm. I started doing it on my own about 4 years and have acquired a large portfolio of loans. When I first started, I didn't know much about the tax side so I just accepted my CPA claiming I was in the "Mortgage Lending Business" and have paid SE Tax for 4 years. Well, through hours of research, I realized that the way I conducted my note investing, it all aligned with being passive rather than active/dealer. My CPA is a solid, smart individual. But has no experience in real estate note investing. He has begrudgingly agreed to amend my last two years tax returns to claim my income on schedule e rather than schedule c, thereby bypassing the SE tax. I am having to walk him through tax code and I'm exhausted. Does anyone know a good CPA WITH note investing experience? No one in Fort Worth seems to have any experience and everyone is playing it very conservatively. Please, I need help! Haha

    Thanks,

    Brian Byrd

    Brian, have you spoken with John Hyre?  We will be speaking with him on an upcoming podcast soon but he would recommend using schedule B instead. 

     JKP

  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    I'm not a note investing expert but why would your note investing activity that generates interest (usually Schedule B) go on Schedule E (reserved for rentals)?

    • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 3 votes
      7mo

      @Aaron Zimmerman I started there but found out schedule B is for truly passive income, buying 1 or 2 notes a year with cash. You can take almost no deductions. Schedule E is for the way I run my business, using multiple LLCs and using bank financing to acquire loans and I get to deduct all interest expense paid to other banks. Once again, this is from my research and is the reason I need a CPA or tax attorney that is familiar with note investing.

  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    Got it . You were talking about schedule e pg 2, not pg 1. Understood. 

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