Condo-Hotel vs Condo Numbers Check

Condo-Hotel vs Condo Numbers Check

Member since 2023 · 9 posts · 5 votes

I had a previous post where I was looking for a 3BR place <$300K near the theme parks in Orlando. I'll be honest, my searches have been a little disappointing to find anything that will break even in terms of cash flow.


I came across a couple condo-hotel locations and looked into them. I've done a lot of research on the topic and am familiar with the cons of owning a condo-hotel type unit, but the numbers seem way in favor of that vs a more traditional condo or SFH. At least in my price range. Here are some numbers I crunched and my reasoning behind them:


3BR Condo in Windsor Hills ~$459K

~$38K projected STR income.

$365K mortgage at 7.5% - $2,550/Mo

HOA - $460/Mo

Taxes - $306/Mo

Insurance - $200/Mo?

Utilities - $250/Mo?

Misc (repairs, furnishings, etc) - $200/Mo?

So with that, I'm looking at putting out about $3,966 and bringing in $3,166, and that's if I self-manage. Does this all look right, or is there anything I'm missing? Just looking at this purely from a cash flow standpoint, I'm at -$800 to -$1,450 per month.

Condo-Hotel, Using WorldQuest as an example -~$260K

$180K HEL at 9% - $1,450/Mo

HOA - $550/Mo

Taxes - $166/Mo

Insurance - $200/Mo?

Utilities (only power paid by owner) - $120/Mo?

Misc - $200/Mo?

The income on this one is a little confusing, but from what I can gather, WorldQuest has a yearly average nightly rate of about $220 and they claim about 85% occupancy. They take 40% as a management fee and charge $30/cleaning. To be conservative, I'm rounding down occupancy to 70%, which for 3 cleanings per month, would mean rental income would be ($220*365*.7*.6)-($30*3*12) for a monthly income of $2,720. So this scenario is just about a break even, about a $40/month gain.

I realize the WH property is also more likely to appreciate than the WorldQuest property, but the rest of the numbers really seem to be heavily in favor of the condo-hotel type property. I'd love it if some of you much smarter people could look at my analysis and see if I'm missing anything? If I assume NO property value change, in 30 years, the WH property will have turned $383K (down payment plus $800 monthly negative loss of running the property) into $459K. The WorldQuest property will have turned $80K into $274K (price of unit plus $40 monthly gain).

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  • Member since 2022 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    2y

    Hello @David Sanders. Did you invested in any of this options? I am evaluating to invest in WorldQuest and I would like to hear about your experience. 

  • Member since 2023 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Ivan Camilo Fernandez Bermudez:

    Hello @David Sanders. Did you invested in any of this options? I am evaluating to invest in WorldQuest and I would like to hear about your experience. 


     I haven't moved forward with anything yet, but I did stop looking at the Condo Hotel options for a couple reasons. A big one for me is I just decided I needed more bedrooms than what I can typically find in a condo-hotel (I have 4 kids). Alos, I can't find the article, but I found one that really jumped into the numbers, and there's a lot of fees and taxes the hotel takes from your rentals that aren't shown up front. So my conclusion was that the condo-hotels are more so set up for personal use, with the ability to offset SOME of the costs by renting out the unit while you're not there. The units don't appreciate like normal real estate and resale can be difficult, and you will be hard pressed to make money renting out the unit. So in my opinion, they really aren't investments, but I didn't do THAT much looking into to make a truly educated claim like that. There were some, like Lake Buena Vista Resort that allows you to self manage and redecorate your unit, but once you do that, you lose the ability to use the hotels management services. 

    Hope that helps!

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