$1.5M to $3.125M in 18 Months

$1.5M to $3.125M in 18 Months

Matthew DrouinPro Member
Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 410 posts · 339 votes

Investment Info:

Office Space commercial investment investment.

Purchase price: $1,500,000

60k sqft office building that we are redeveloping into 78 market rate apartment homes in 2026. In 2021 we bought the building for $1.5M using private lenders, pushed the occupancy from 50% to 80% occupancy and it appraised for $3.125M, allowing us to pay back the private mortgage.
Right now, we are in the predevelopment process of design and piecing together the capital stack for the redevelopment deal, which will be made up of historic tax credit equity, RestoreNY Grant, DRI Grant, etc.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Over 5 years ago, I used to marvel at the architecture of this building and told myself that I'd own it one day and reimagine it. It was built as an office building in 1888. Office has been in decline for several decades in downtown Rochester, so it's highest and best use is residential.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I called the leasing broker and asked if the owner would be open to an offer. We negotiated it down from their original asking price of $1.8M but it needed to be a cash deal because the building was 50% occupied and of what WAS occupied was month to month office tenants. (Banks typically want to see 1 Year+ leases). The deal was contingent upon 60 day due diligence and a clean Phase 1 environmental assessment.

How did you finance this deal?

One of our long time investment partners wrote the check for the entire $1.5M. We paid them 9% interest (they put a private mortgage on the property) and give them 19% membership interest in the holding company LLC

How did you add value to the deal?

Phase 1 was quickly leasing up small office space. I bought it from 50% occupancy up to 80% occupancy. Primarily through Facebook Marketplace, Loopnet and Craigslist.

What was the outcome?

We got it appraised for traditional financing and it came back at $3.125M so we were able to get our investor their $1.5M back. We have been keeping it as office use until we get our construction financing set up along with all of the other funding sources.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Beware of elevators in old buildings. This is an 11 story building and both passenger elevators went down at the same time for about 3 months. Tenants ended up demanding concessions or just plain skipped out of their lease and disappeared.
Also, unbeknownst to us, the former owner tried poaching all of the month to month tenants to their building across the street. It was a gut punch to see the tenants whose income we were counting on mass exodus the building right after we closed

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Nextier Bank out of Butler PA was our lender for the refinance. They were super great to work with!

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  • Tim DelaneyPro Member
    Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 790 posts · 530 votes
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    Awesome deal, thanks for sharing! Love seeing good things happening in a neighboring city.

    Curious, you mention converting this to apartments? Is that going to be in phases or will you be removing all the office tenants at the same time?

    Look forward to hearing more as this progresses!

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 410 posts · 339 votes
    1y

    Tim, great question.

    We have relocation language in all the tenants leases.  We also own the building next door so idea would be to relocate the tenants to that building after building it out.  Also there is a special tax abatement for office conversions but requires the developer to retain 15% as commercial use.

    So we have the option to stack them and consolidate.

  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y

    @Matthew Drouin Congrats on the purchase, looks like a great building. A bit strange that you leased the commercial spaces knowing you would be pursuing a conversion but understand the objective of taking out your capital partner and I see in your follow up post the relocation language so you clearly thought through the transitional phase. Given the abatement option could you continue to occupy 15% of the building with commercial tenants while the rest of the building is converted or is that a logistical nightmare/ideally are you seeking different long term commercial tenants if you go that route? 

    What really stood out to me is your capital partner and their terms. That's a relationship you should hold close as they could really help with future challenging acquisitions that are viewed less favorably by banks. Good luck with the project.

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 410 posts · 339 votes
    1y

    @Stuart Udis plan A was to reposition as small office and keep it that way. But when the two elevators went down and we realized we were barely able to make DSCR and weren't cash flowing enough to cover long term major maintenance and cap ex, we had to pivot into Plan B.


    in regard to renovating in a partially occupied building, it’s a nightmare.  Dust gets everywhere.

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 576 posts · 358 votes
    1y

    Great work! This is very encouraging!

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 410 posts · 339 votes
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    @Carini Rochester there’s a huge critical mass building at four corners.  Going to take some time but I’m hopeful to help make downtown a place in excited to bring my kids to and for them to know their dad played a small part!

  • Investor · Syracuse, NY · Member since 2022 · 16 posts · 9 votes
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    Quote from @Matthew Drouin:

    Tim, great question.

    We have relocation language in all the tenants leases.  We also own the building next door so idea would be to relocate the tenants to that building after building it out.  Also there is a special tax abatement for office conversions but requires the developer to retain 15% as commercial use.

    So we have the option to stack them and consolidate.


     Is there a reason you're choosing to build out the building next door as offices?

  • Real Estate Consultant · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 666 posts · 389 votes
    1y

    @Matthew Drouin Are you aware of the tax benefits and cash flow opportunities with 179D and the use of Green Zip Tape as well as cost segregation on this build-out? This could save you as much or more than 10% to 17% of your (purchase price plus construction costs) up front. Let's talk if you want more information. You may not have to jump through the hoops you have been jumping through to get the results you want. 

  • Matthew DrouinPro Member
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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 410 posts · 339 votes
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    @Bonnie Griffin Kaake all of those will be on the table and be rigorously discussed as we chart our way forward.  I'm friends with one of your colleagues at CSSI Brenda Reding.  You guys are the best!

  • Real Estate Consultant · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 666 posts · 389 votes
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    Quote from @Matthew Drouin:

    @Bonnie Griffin Kaake all of those will be on the table and be rigorously discussed as we chart our way forward.  I'm friends with one of your colleagues at CSSI Brenda Reding.  You guys are the best!


    That is good to hear. Too many investors are not aware of the tax benefits and extra cash flow that could be theirs. Thank you for your kind words, Matthew. I am sure Brenda will do a great job for you. 
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