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Real Estate Investor from vineland, NJ

Sep 06 '08, 01:41 AM


I would really love if someone could give me a big overview of how the private lending process works. I'm a beginning investor and i see the power of using private funds but i just don't know the proper and legal way of doing this.

now i know about talking to people you know, other investors, and marketing to other high net worth individuals, which all of this i would consider the first step in the process.

the second step i'm guessing some will say is working out the agreement/financial details with the your private lenders once they say they want to invest (which i plan on doing all this in step one, letting them know they're either going to invest as a lender or has a partner and this is what they'll get in either scenario)

but my questions are:

1. when do i have to worry about the SEC?
2. what paperwork will i have to provide to my private lenders for them loaning me money (well loaning the deal money)
3. do i have to file any paperwork with my state in order to use other peoples funds for my deals?
4. when does private placement memorandums come into play


Edited Jun 26 2010, 05:51


Michel Lautensack

Property Manager from Berwyn, Pennsylvania

Sep 06 '08, 05:19 PM


POST REMOVED BY ADMIN - This forum is not for promoting your ebook, but for helping answer people's questions. Thank you.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 05:51 by Administrator: SOLICITATION


Jason F

Real Estate Investor from Gainesville, FL

Sep 22 '08, 01:20 AM


Your investors will most likely want a mortgage on the property OR ownership in the LLC that houses the property. You have to give them something in exchange for their money.

Mortgage on the property is the easiest. Ownership in the LLC will require an operating agreement that will outline the investment.

Depending on how serious you are at approaching investors, you will probably need an attorney to draw this up. Maybe you can have the investor use theirs so they are comfortable.

I wouldn't worry about the SEC unless you are starting to get heavy into national advertisements and solicitations. Start small. Start local. Trust me, if you start reading the SEC rules on this stuff you will quickly find out that most EVERYTHING is against 'policy'.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 05:58


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Real Estate Investor from vineland, NJ

Sep 22 '08, 10:05 PM


Hey Jason, thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to give me some knowledgeable advice about this topic.

all I need now is to know how to keep my attorney fee's down when creating these contracts lol, which I would like for my lawyer to draft so that way i'm well protected at an advantage (my lawyer charges $320 an hour, thats why I'm concerned about this issue).


Edited Jun 26 2010, 05:58


Jason F

Real Estate Investor from Gainesville, FL

Sep 22 '08, 10:17 PM


I agree, attorney fees can add up very very quickly. Spending too much on an initial operating agreement can be a waste as you may never find an investor to use it with OR that investor may want the contract to be re-worked with changes.

My suggestion, and what I've previously done, is basically sit down for a week and do your best to construct your own contract. In my opinion, the operating agreement needs to outline the investment specifics best as possible and cover as many 'bases' as possible.

The agreement should hit these points:

• the members' percentage interests in the LLC
• the members' rights and responsibilities
• the members' voting powers
• how profits and losses will be allocated
• how the LLC will be managed
• rules for holding meetings and taking votes, and
• buyout, or buy-sell, provisions, which determine what happens when a member wants to sell his or her interest, dies, or becomes disabled.

You never know, keeping it simply may help attract more investors than you think. No one ever likes to think that the person that they are working with is more "lawyered up" then they are.

Coming up with something simple may save you a lot of money and give you a good foundation for going to an investor or an attorney to fix the holes.

Hope this helps


Edited Jun 26 2010, 05:58


Susan Lassiter-Lyons

Real Estate Investor from Denver, Colorado

Oct 04 '08, 12:47 AM


We did a free teleclass in July called private money magnet and the replay is at http://theinvestorinsights.com/?p=47

It's long (2 hrs) but it answers a lot of questions. Hope that helps!


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:04


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Real Estate Investor from vineland, NJ

Oct 04 '08, 10:54 PM


Hi Susan, thanks for the link your awesome. Susan i wanted to ask you do you have this same recording but in mp3 or other portable file format.

because i love to download audios like this to my mp3 player and listen to them through out the day.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:04


Susan Lassiter-Lyons

Real Estate Investor from Denver, Colorado

Oct 06 '08, 09:40 AM


Sure - PM me and I'll send it to you.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:04


Debbie Carbone

Real Estate Investor from Middleton, Massachusetts

Oct 30 '08, 06:50 AM


Hi Susan,Jason &life students,
I sure was happy to find this forum. I am presently looking for private money and felt like I did not totally understand the process. I currently have 2 properties a 10 unit mixed use building and a 6 unit mixed use. I am placing an offer on a 45 unit building. Now in the past I used my own money for the 20% down but I want to keep my liquid money especially today. And after reading books and Teleseminars I come to realize I was actually wrong to use my own money. I will look at the link that Susan posted but when you use Private Lending of any sort what is the typical % rate? And what is the typical length of the term? I need approx $550K for this deal and would like to know all that I can prior to approaching a Private Lender. And Jason I like your concept on the Attorney you are correct keep the agreement simply understood but complete and precise. Thanks to all


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:15


Troy Mockridge

Real Estate Consultant from New Mexico

Nov 10 '08, 09:19 AM


Hey, great question. I found a bunch of free videos on different topics of private money the other day. They make you opt in to see the next videos (I think there were 5), but it's well worth it since they're free. I found them at *******

Good luck!

And by the way, if you mainly go out and get private funding through networking and referrals you don't have to worry much about SEC stuff. And, just have your escrow company or attorney draft the mortgage, note, etc. for you. It's way cheaper and easier that way, trust me.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:21 by Moderator: link removed, requires personal info


Account Closed

Manhattan, New York

Nov 10 '08, 03:43 PM


Originally posted by Troy Mockridge:
And by the way, if you mainly go out and get private funding through networking and referrals you don't have to worry much about SEC stuff. And, just have your escrow company or attorney draft the mortgage, note, etc. for you. It's way cheaper and easier that way, trust me.


There are several states that REQUIRE you to file with them BEFORE the first private money transaction takes place in their state. No matter the amount, no matter how well you "know" your network. If they aren't family or "very close family friends" registration is required.

Be very careful, there is a lot of really bad information out there relating to registration requirements. Unfortunately, about the only time you will know you did it wrong is when you get served with the papers from one of the regulatory agencies covering this area. At that point, it will turn into a very expensive learning experience.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:21


Matt Bormann

Real Estate Investor from Goose Creek, South Carolina

Nov 12 '08, 03:18 AM


My question is how do you find investors willing to do this? The nearest investment club has usally a couple people attending, then I looking at an hour drive to the next one. I wouldnt mind partnering with an investor to do a JV and to be a mentor. Its been so difficult to be able to find. So when you guyews atalk about investors money, where do you the resources, find these investors willing to put up their money?


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:22


Will Barnard Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Santa Clarita, California

Nov 12 '08, 03:42 AM


Originally posted by Jason F:
Keeping it simply may help attract more investors than you think. No one ever likes to think that the person that they are working with is more "lawyered up" then they are.

Coming up with something simple may save you a lot of money and give you a good foundation for going to an investor or an attorney to fix the holes.


It can also cost you dearly if you make a mistake! Not spending the money on proper documentation is a recipe for disaster. I would NEVER recommend anyone not consult with an attorney or use someone's contracts that has done so. You may save $ initially, but it could cost you much more down the road.

As far as what you need, a promissory note and a deed of trust (usually a first) will cover it. Forming LLC's is totally unnecessary for seeking private funds. They loan the money, and have the promisoory note and deed to guarantee their investment, just as a bank does. The only need to form an LLC is if you are creating a partnership in which case, you are not really using private money investors, but a "partner".

Matt asked where do you find PI's. You have to market for them. Word of mouth is a great place to start. Tell everyone you know, that you borrow money secured by RE and pay handsome returns. You can market to people with retirement accounts (IRA, 401k, etc), advertise in publications (be careful on your wording here as you do not want to violate any SEC rules), and you can hold small meetings or even one on one presentations either in your home or for a breakfast/lunch meeting. Social networks such as BP are also alternatives.

As far as %, I pay anywhere from 8%-18% depending on the investment.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:22


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James Hiddle

Wholesaler from Altus, Oklahoma

Nov 12 '08, 04:48 AM


Your local REI club could have a ton of private lenders or sources for private lenders so I suggest joining one near you.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:22


Will Barnard Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Santa Clarita, California

Nov 12 '08, 04:50 AM


Any investment club near or far is an opportunity to find private lending investors. It does not have to be local.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 06:22 by Will Barnard


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