Somethings I have learned in last few weeks

Somethings I have learned in last few weeks

Sharad M.Pro Member
Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Hello all,

It's been busy last 5-6 weeks getting rehab done on couple of my multi-units and getting them rented out. It's been a great learning experience. I just thought I share with the group some of the things I learned. Some of these will be very obvious, some not so much. Hopefully, you guys find some value and can add more to it.

1) Don't assume the pay stubs a tenant provides is real. Always follow up directly with the employer to confirm the employment and salary.

2) Don't assume the employer number a tenant provides is correct. Go to Google and try to find employers direct number.

3) It's been said before in the forums that when you call to check the references of a tenant, don't tell the person you are calling how the tenant is related to them. Let them tell you that. I always say "Hi, Tenant Joe applied for one of my rental properties and put you down as a reference. Can you please tell me how you know Joe?"

4) Don't assume the landlord information is correct. When you call the previous landlord and they confirm that they are the tenant's landlord, ask them if they are the owner or property manager. If they are the property manager, get the owner's name. Once you have the owner's name, go to your county's tax assessor website and confirm that the name of the owner on the tax bill matches with what's on the application. If it doesn't, follow up on that. I have come across a LOT of discrepancies and it's been the case where the tenant had given me name and number of one of their friends.

5) If a tenant is in rush to move into the apartment and they want to give you all the security deposit and first month rent at the first meeting, be careful as that should raise a red flag.

6) When you screen a tenant and the report shows eviction, follow up with the tenant to find out the reason for the eviction. I have come across couple of families that were getting evicted because of a manipulated landlord.

7) If you have a vacant multi unit, it may be a good idea to get one of units completely finished and get someone moved into that unit ASAP, because once any one of the units is occupied, it will prevent from break-ins that happen with a vacant house.

I had couple of other things that I can't remember. If any of you guys have other good ideas to screen tenants, please share here. Hopefully, you guys find some of the things helpful.

Happy Investing!

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Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
15y

Always get a money order or cashier's check for the first month's rent and security deposit. IN FULL, no payment plans, no exceptions. If they can't come up with the security deposit, they'll never be able to catch up once they're in.

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  • Curt DavisBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    15y

    Lots of great pointers here.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Powell, OH · Member since 2009 · 27 posts · 10 votes
    15y

    Great tips Sharad! Being thorough and questioning everything will help to get a better tenant into your property. Unfortunately, a good number of lifer tenants happen to be less than honest people.

  • Sharad M.Pro Member
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    Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    Thank you Curt and Chad. Here are couple of other things I have learned:

    8) Don't let a tenant move in until they have paid the first month rent and security deposit in full.
    9) Until a tenant has put some NON-REFUNDABLE deposit for the apartment, keep the apartment on the market to show to other tenants.

    If you guys have some rules or guidelines you use, please post them here. Thanks!

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    duplicate

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    Always get a money order or cashier's check for the first month's rent and security deposit. IN FULL, no payment plans, no exceptions. If they can't come up with the security deposit, they'll never be able to catch up once they're in.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    15y

    All good points.

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 282 votes
    15y

    I've only had this happen twice so far, but anyone who volunteers to pay three, six (whatever) months of rent upfront (without me asking them to) seems to be fishy as hell.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    my reply got deleted somehow.

    i think i said:

    - if they ask if you do "criminal check", run away.

    - when verifying their information, ask lots of questions and compare that to what the prospective tenants told you. if the person on the other line says "yes/no, i am not sure", then it's not a true reference.

    - talk less and listen more

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 282 votes
    15y

    another:
    after you you have selected someone, have them sign a utilities agreement making them aware that they are responsible for having the utils switched to their name by move in date, and for any deposits the util co.'s require based on their credit.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Bienes Raices:
    another:
    after you you have selected someone, have them sign a utilities agreement making them aware that they are responsible for having the utils switched to their name by move in date, and for any deposits the util co.'s require based on their credit.

    but that's a given....no?

    the way i do it is - i pay the water, but they reimburse me, so i know it's paid each time.

    the electric/gas is in their name, so they are responsible for that, or they can't use it.

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 282 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Sharad M.:

    6) When you screen a tenant and the report shows eviction, follow up with the tenant to find out the reason for the eviction. I have come across couple of families that were getting evicted because of a manipulated landlord.

    !

    I'm not sure about this piece of advice--whose word are you taking for the reason they left, the tenants?

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 282 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Homer S.:
    Originally posted by Bienes Raices:
    another:
    after you you have selected someone, have them sign a utilities agreement making them aware that they are responsible for having the utils switched to their name by move in date, and for any deposits the util co.'s require based on their credit.

    but that's a given....no?

    the way i do it is - i pay the water, but they reimburse me, so i know it's paid each time.

    the electric/gas is in their name, so they are responsible for that, or they can't use it.

    I have them put the water in their name--the water co. here does not lien the owner if the tenant fails to pay.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Bienes Raices:
    Originally posted by Homer S.:
    Originally posted by Bienes Raices:
    another:
    after you you have selected someone, have them sign a utilities agreement making them aware that they are responsible for having the utils switched to their name by move in date, and for any deposits the util co.'s require based on their credit.

    but that's a given....no?

    the way i do it is - i pay the water, but they reimburse me, so i know it's paid each time.

    the electric/gas is in their name, so they are responsible for that, or they can't use it.

    I have them put the water in their name--the water co. here does not lien the owner if the tenant fails to pay.

    but you are stuck with the bill and the lien is on your property...

    i pay it, they reimburse me that month. case closed.

  • Sharad M.Pro Member
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    Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    10) When you screen a tenant and receive their credit report, pay close attention to the Inquiries section. This can sometimes tell you some interesting things. For instance, if you see couple of inquiries in the last couple of weeks related to tenant screening from other companies, this should raise a red flag that they had previously applied for couple of other rental apartments, but didn't receive it or take it for some reason.

  • Investor · Statewide, MO · Member since 2011 · 819 posts · 427 votes
    15y

    Sharad, when doing a verification of employment, I used a modified VOE (1005), used by lenders. This will get you what you need and there's a warning about false info on it.
    You could also ask for bank statements, and explain to the prospect that you underwrite tenants in a fashion similar to a lender. Looking at a person's bank statements will reveal payroll deposits. It could also indicate a gambling addiction or other issues that could make rent collection difficult.

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 178 posts · 62 votes
    15y

    I learned the hard way that spears on the top of steel fences are not for show. They will cut into your hands. :oP

    I also learned that sometimes there is nothing you can do to stop water from getting into the house. This year the torrential rains and flooding have humbled me. Granted its not like a house was under water, but it was like flooding in a basement of a building that is over 120 years old. The basement has been finished for over 15 years and it flooded this year for the first time. wtf!? Its amazing that water something we love and use daily can be so unpredictable. And what an expensive fix!

  • Investor · Reston, VA · Member since 2011 · 683 posts · 191 votes
    15y

    Sharad, that is a good checklist. Many "bad" tenants contact small LL's because they know they won't make it through a property management check.

    Years ago I read some good advice: put "credit/income/background check required and will be performed" right in the body of your ad. This may eliminate a good number of these bad tenants from wasting your time. It won't stop all of them, but it's a good pre-screen. I usually put it at the end.

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 282 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Vic L.:
    I learned the hard way that spears on the top of steel fences are not for show. They will cut into your hands. :oP

    quote]

    So will the shoots that grow from the middle of a date palm. Ouch! :roll:

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