Is EVERYONE sending yellow letters?

Is EVERYONE sending yellow letters?

Real Estate Investor · Glen Allen, VA · Member since 2008 · 74 posts · 43 votes

Hey Guys,

Just wondering: are yellow letters your primary type of mailing? (This also includes being combined with postcards as alternating form). Or are you sending another kind of letter? Let's do a roll call. I'll start:

I've been primarily sending out yellow letters, with pretty good results. But then I started wondering if EVERYONE else is also sending out yellow letters - and then I started this survey.

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Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
16y

Hello everyone

Great question... Not certain if this will help. If not sorry for the post...

I hold to the philosophy that a successful marketing campaign should use a variety of methods to numerous types of prospects to attract responses. In the case of real estate investing, the methods can range from billboards to television and radio ads to direct mail to getting your name out through promotional items like pens, key chains, business cards, etc. The top seven prospect types (different audiences) you need to promote to are: FSBO, Expired, pre foreclosures, Absentee Owners, your “Farmâ€, Free and Clears, and “For Rent†owners. With Pre foreclosures and Free and clears the two top.

If you have a limited advertising/promotion budget it might be wise to start with direct mail activities. I see direct mail, if done right, to show the most effective response in ratio to promotional dollars spent.

Direct mail is simply promoting to your audiences through the mail.

Depending on your budget, you may want to advertise to one or all of the seven prospect types mentioned above. If you decide to limit your prospect mailing to just a few prospect types, the list below shows the prospects you should promote to and their position of importance from top to bottom. (This list is prioritized in order of importance that you should follow. For instance, if you only plan to promote to three prospect types, then send to Foreclosure/NOD, Expired and FSBO prospects, as they are the top three on the prioritized list.)

PRIORITIZED LIST PROMOTE TO:

1. Foreclosure/NOD
2. Free and Clear
3. Expired
4. FSBO
5. For Rent
6. Absentee
7. Farm

What to Mail
Imagine for a moment that you walked into a convenience store to buy a fountain soda. If there were only two choices of soda brands, it would be easy to decide which one to choose from, and the competing vendors would have a 50 percent chance that you would decide on their product, if everything were equal.

But what if when you got to the soda fountain machine there were 24 product choices to choose from? How then would those vendors capture the largest market share possible? We could get very complex and crafty about this, but the fact is, the answer is very simple. The smart vendors would own as many of the choices as possible.

In terms of marketing to different types of prospects, in order to be successful, your message will need to be different with each type. This is because you have to appeal to the mindset of each of your prospect types. In other words, you have to connect with them by saying what they want to hear.

Different people respond to different messages, especially when they need something and you’re offering a solution. The familiar saying, “misery loves company,†is accurate in that, if you’re willing to talk to someone about a problem they have, you’ll likely make a new friend who will often go from a speechless frown to a very interested chatterbox.

When it comes to marketing to others and getting them interested enough to call you, it boils down to talking about things that are on their mind, being interested and letting them know that there’s a solution. This can be accomplished in writing through direct mail activities. And the odds of getting a response can be increased through a series of mailings. Using letters and postcards will increase the likelihood that the prospect will call you.

The two key components when prospecting via the mail are to get the prospect to read your message and to cause them to take the action that you dictate. When sending letters, there’s a third component: getting them to first open it.

Large companies have gone to expensive methods to trick us into opening their mail. When we do, we find out we’ve won nothing or it wasn’t a real check inside the envelope. They will use every trick in the book and so should you.

Having your mail opened and your message read is the key to successful marketing! Without it you cannot obtain your Key Objective: GETTING A PROSPECT TO CALL YOU.

Today’s competitive market has house sellers bombarded with many offers from Realtors, lenders and investors, so you must use every resource available in order to survive. And the more effective you are than your competition, the greater piece of the pie you will hold.

When you attend a presentation boot camp you will learn terms like “mimicking†and “embedded†commands. These are examples of powerful techniques you can use to persuade a seller to take the actions you want them to take.

Your letters and postcards need to enforce those same techniques. But it can take years to perfect these techniques, and a lot of wasted income trying them out with your mailings. So I’ve developed letters and postcards that contain effective techniques, embedded commands and other necessary aspects. By the way, an embedded command is a fancy word for putting a “call to action†within the body of the letter.

The four types of mail that you will send to various prospects:

• Professional sales letters
• “Mary†Letters aka Yellow Letters
• Postcards
• Vouchers

The “professional letters†have been written in a series compiling seven different letters. They are written to obtain your Key Objective, which is a call from the seller to set an appointment with you to buy their property. I have used the expertise of professional copywriters to develop letters that push the specific prospects’ buttons and persuade them to call you.

The postcards are written to the prospect and are not generic. They talk to the prospect and indicate their property address and how we buy houses. Different postcards are sent to different prospects. It is important that the message is quick and to the point, and one which causes the seller to call. Another aspect that adds to the effectiveness of these four types of mail is the continuous flow to each prospect. This is explained in more detail shortly.

The third method is our handwritten “Mary†Letters. We’ll discuss where the name came from later. First, I’d like to explain what “Mary†letters are.

The purpose of direct mail is to communicate and cause a desired reaction; your mail needs to be read and responded to no later than your last and final mailing. Because of this we must, at times, trick the addressee into opening the direct mail piece. When all else fails in getting your communication opened and read by prospects, my “Mary†Letters will do the job. I have developed a very simple process to follow to ensure consistency and response.

The fourth type of mail is the voucher letter and works great for 60-90 day lates and pre foreclosures prospects… Keep in mind that there are Federal guidelines that you must follow as to not break the law..

A Little About Promotion
One of the most important activities in the business of real estate investing is promotion. Promoting yourself makes you known to others, who previously did not know of you. Letters also keep you fresh in the minds of people who know that you buy houses, but haven’t decided to call you just yet.

When it comes to sending out letters, you’re concerned with one thing: getting house sellers to call you with an interest in selling their house to you.

In order to get someone to call you, they have to know:

1. that you are a real estate investor who buys houses
2. that you can help them sell their house
3. that you want to buy their house
4. that they can trust you
5. how to contact you by providing your telephone number

...this is basically what you are telling them in your promotional letters and postcards.

As mentioned, there are seven letters for each of the types of prospects. You might wonder, “Why not send just one letter and be done with it?†It is because it takes people a number of times to hear or be told something before they respond to things. That’s why certain things are repeated so much in infomercials. They don’t just give the price and call to action (“order now!â€) one time—it’s stated numerous times throughout the advertisement.

To get the most out of your promotional activities, you must repeat your communication to prospects, whether that communication be the same message over and over or with slightly different messages each time. I believe that slightly different messages go slightly farther than the same message repeated. Sending the seven designated letters, along with the Mary Letters, voucher and postcards, is your ticket to having ample prospects from whom to buy houses.

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  • Real Estate Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2010 · 328 posts · 182 votes
    16y

    I send out yellow letters for the first mailing and then have printed letters and post cards for consecutive mailings.

    Even if a lot of people are sending yellow letters, I still think they work better than printed, white letters.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    Hello everyone

    Great question... Not certain if this will help. If not sorry for the post...

    I hold to the philosophy that a successful marketing campaign should use a variety of methods to numerous types of prospects to attract responses. In the case of real estate investing, the methods can range from billboards to television and radio ads to direct mail to getting your name out through promotional items like pens, key chains, business cards, etc. The top seven prospect types (different audiences) you need to promote to are: FSBO, Expired, pre foreclosures, Absentee Owners, your “Farmâ€, Free and Clears, and “For Rent†owners. With Pre foreclosures and Free and clears the two top.

    If you have a limited advertising/promotion budget it might be wise to start with direct mail activities. I see direct mail, if done right, to show the most effective response in ratio to promotional dollars spent.

    Direct mail is simply promoting to your audiences through the mail.

    Depending on your budget, you may want to advertise to one or all of the seven prospect types mentioned above. If you decide to limit your prospect mailing to just a few prospect types, the list below shows the prospects you should promote to and their position of importance from top to bottom. (This list is prioritized in order of importance that you should follow. For instance, if you only plan to promote to three prospect types, then send to Foreclosure/NOD, Expired and FSBO prospects, as they are the top three on the prioritized list.)

    PRIORITIZED LIST PROMOTE TO:

    1. Foreclosure/NOD
    2. Free and Clear
    3. Expired
    4. FSBO
    5. For Rent
    6. Absentee
    7. Farm

    What to Mail
    Imagine for a moment that you walked into a convenience store to buy a fountain soda. If there were only two choices of soda brands, it would be easy to decide which one to choose from, and the competing vendors would have a 50 percent chance that you would decide on their product, if everything were equal.

    But what if when you got to the soda fountain machine there were 24 product choices to choose from? How then would those vendors capture the largest market share possible? We could get very complex and crafty about this, but the fact is, the answer is very simple. The smart vendors would own as many of the choices as possible.

    In terms of marketing to different types of prospects, in order to be successful, your message will need to be different with each type. This is because you have to appeal to the mindset of each of your prospect types. In other words, you have to connect with them by saying what they want to hear.

    Different people respond to different messages, especially when they need something and you’re offering a solution. The familiar saying, “misery loves company,†is accurate in that, if you’re willing to talk to someone about a problem they have, you’ll likely make a new friend who will often go from a speechless frown to a very interested chatterbox.

    When it comes to marketing to others and getting them interested enough to call you, it boils down to talking about things that are on their mind, being interested and letting them know that there’s a solution. This can be accomplished in writing through direct mail activities. And the odds of getting a response can be increased through a series of mailings. Using letters and postcards will increase the likelihood that the prospect will call you.

    The two key components when prospecting via the mail are to get the prospect to read your message and to cause them to take the action that you dictate. When sending letters, there’s a third component: getting them to first open it.

    Large companies have gone to expensive methods to trick us into opening their mail. When we do, we find out we’ve won nothing or it wasn’t a real check inside the envelope. They will use every trick in the book and so should you.

    Having your mail opened and your message read is the key to successful marketing! Without it you cannot obtain your Key Objective: GETTING A PROSPECT TO CALL YOU.

    Today’s competitive market has house sellers bombarded with many offers from Realtors, lenders and investors, so you must use every resource available in order to survive. And the more effective you are than your competition, the greater piece of the pie you will hold.

    When you attend a presentation boot camp you will learn terms like “mimicking†and “embedded†commands. These are examples of powerful techniques you can use to persuade a seller to take the actions you want them to take.

    Your letters and postcards need to enforce those same techniques. But it can take years to perfect these techniques, and a lot of wasted income trying them out with your mailings. So I’ve developed letters and postcards that contain effective techniques, embedded commands and other necessary aspects. By the way, an embedded command is a fancy word for putting a “call to action†within the body of the letter.

    The four types of mail that you will send to various prospects:

    • Professional sales letters
    • “Mary†Letters aka Yellow Letters
    • Postcards
    • Vouchers

    The “professional letters†have been written in a series compiling seven different letters. They are written to obtain your Key Objective, which is a call from the seller to set an appointment with you to buy their property. I have used the expertise of professional copywriters to develop letters that push the specific prospects’ buttons and persuade them to call you.

    The postcards are written to the prospect and are not generic. They talk to the prospect and indicate their property address and how we buy houses. Different postcards are sent to different prospects. It is important that the message is quick and to the point, and one which causes the seller to call. Another aspect that adds to the effectiveness of these four types of mail is the continuous flow to each prospect. This is explained in more detail shortly.

    The third method is our handwritten “Mary†Letters. We’ll discuss where the name came from later. First, I’d like to explain what “Mary†letters are.

    The purpose of direct mail is to communicate and cause a desired reaction; your mail needs to be read and responded to no later than your last and final mailing. Because of this we must, at times, trick the addressee into opening the direct mail piece. When all else fails in getting your communication opened and read by prospects, my “Mary†Letters will do the job. I have developed a very simple process to follow to ensure consistency and response.

    The fourth type of mail is the voucher letter and works great for 60-90 day lates and pre foreclosures prospects… Keep in mind that there are Federal guidelines that you must follow as to not break the law..

    A Little About Promotion
    One of the most important activities in the business of real estate investing is promotion. Promoting yourself makes you known to others, who previously did not know of you. Letters also keep you fresh in the minds of people who know that you buy houses, but haven’t decided to call you just yet.

    When it comes to sending out letters, you’re concerned with one thing: getting house sellers to call you with an interest in selling their house to you.

    In order to get someone to call you, they have to know:

    1. that you are a real estate investor who buys houses
    2. that you can help them sell their house
    3. that you want to buy their house
    4. that they can trust you
    5. how to contact you by providing your telephone number

    ...this is basically what you are telling them in your promotional letters and postcards.

    As mentioned, there are seven letters for each of the types of prospects. You might wonder, “Why not send just one letter and be done with it?†It is because it takes people a number of times to hear or be told something before they respond to things. That’s why certain things are repeated so much in infomercials. They don’t just give the price and call to action (“order now!â€) one time—it’s stated numerous times throughout the advertisement.

    To get the most out of your promotional activities, you must repeat your communication to prospects, whether that communication be the same message over and over or with slightly different messages each time. I believe that slightly different messages go slightly farther than the same message repeated. Sending the seven designated letters, along with the Mary Letters, voucher and postcards, is your ticket to having ample prospects from whom to buy houses.

  • Real Estate Investor · Triad, NC · Member since 2010 · 38 posts · 9 votes
    16y

    Mike, I want to send out a 1st mailing to my pre-foreclosure list. What do you suggest? Do you have an example that would specifically target this group?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    For 60|90 and Pre foreclosures

    Voucher
    Mary Letter
    Postcard
    Professional

    That voucher I have is friggin awesome...

  • Real Estate Investor · Triad, NC · Member since 2010 · 38 posts · 9 votes
    16y

    Your right, it is awesome!
    What does your Mary letter look like? All the ones I've seen just say "We would like to buy your house" I would love to see an example of a professionally created one. Thanks.

    PS: Are your forum pages coming up kinda funky? I have to scroll way down to see some of mine.

  • Real Estate Agent · North Jersey, NJ · Member since 2008 · 287 posts · 51 votes
    16y

    Great post Michael. Could you tell us a little more about the voucher letter?

  • Real Estate Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2008 · 443 posts · 91 votes
    16y

    I use yellow postcards, I don’t actually use yellow letters. I do just plain white or I use white loose leaf paper with a blue handwriting font.

    Brian Haskins

  • Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    16y
    Originally posted by DaniilKleyman:
    Hey Guys,

    Just wondering: are yellow letters your primary type of mailing? (This also includes being combined with postcards as alternating form). Or are you sending another kind of letter? Let's do a roll call. I'll start:

    I've been primarily sending out yellow letters, with pretty good results. But then I started wondering if EVERYONE else is also sending out yellow letters - and then I started this survey.


    I think this depend a lot on where you invest. In Austin there are very few people doing yellow letters from what I have seen.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Mobile, AL · Member since 2010 · 138 posts · 55 votes
    16y

    The only letters that we currently send out are to probate leads.
    Here's why they are solid leads.
    -Lots of the people live out of town of the houses.
    -The homes are older and need repair.
    -They aren't emotionally attached to the property, they typically are just looking to get the estate settled and off their shoulders.

    And there aren't lots of people doing this. Where I am (Alabama) there is no list that you can purchase to mail to. We are forced to pull the information from public records downtown. This alone knocks out my competition.

  • Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, WA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 578 votes
    16y

    Just for your information there have been studies done as for colors for signs. It has been proven that a yellow sign (yellow letter) with black letters (black font) catches the attention better than any of the other color combinations. One investor I knew in NC used to put his Notice to Pay or Vacate on bright florescent pink paper. When he stuck one of those on your door, you could see it for quite a ways!

  • Real Estate Coach · Houston, TX · Member since 2010 · 14 posts · 1 vote
    16y

    We definitely use yellow letters for 90% of what we do.

    I purchase properties subject to and work short sale deals a lot. Our students use the yellow letter day in and day out here in Houston. We've had nothing but success with it.

    We started tweaking the yellow letter with a company called Gettheperson - http://www.gettheperson.com and we came up with this letter. They do our campaign for us VERY cheap and we also get our short sale (pre-nod) leads from them.

    Obviously, we don't use this EXACT letter for when we buy houses. Our students who are realtors use this letter a lot. But you get the idea.

    It's not on a yellow piece of paper, so therefore, separates it from other investors who may be mailing the normal stuff.

    A strong message with a personal approach = results!

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2012 · 1 post · 0 votes
    14y

    Michael, would you be willing to tell me the verbiage in your hafa voucher or let me know where I can purchase it?

  • Real Estate Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2011 · 74 posts · 25 votes
    14y

    Michael, Thats some really good information. I noticed you posted this awhile back, and was just curious if pre-foreclosure is still your top category to start marketing to? If so are you trying to help them get a short sale done, or what do you do with pre-foreclosures?

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    14y

    I've owned a lot of houses since my first in 1989. 18 at the moment. As far as I remember, I've never received a had written yellow letter asking about selling my house(s). So I hardly think it's an over-saturated technique, at least where I am.

  • Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    14y

    We sent tens of thousands of yellow letters for years. They work. You just have to be prepared to kiss a lot of frogs on the phone.

    They are also expensive. If you are trying to buy property for the long haul I think there are better ways to find product. If you are looking for distressed product yellow letters coupled with services that monitor drops in people's credit score are generally effective.

  • Commercial Real Estate Lender / Syndicator · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 888 posts · 309 votes
    14y

    I've received very nice glossy postcards from homevestors, but never a yellow letter.

  • Real Estate Investor · Salem, OR · Member since 2011 · 422 posts · 149 votes
    14y

    Bryan Hancock How are you using the yellow letters combined with credit scores to hone in on deals? I imagine you would end up sending a lot of letters to people who don't own houses. Are you scrubbing them against the property database?

  • Real Estate Professional · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2010 · 609 posts · 163 votes
    14y

    In your post Michael you indicated the list you market to:

    PRIORITIZED LIST PROMOTE TO:

    1. Foreclosure/NOD
    2. Free and Clear
    3. Expired
    4. FSBO
    5. For Rent
    6. Absentee
    7. Farm

    In a post a few weeks ago you gave another prioritized list geared to flipping:

    PRIORITIZED LIST PROMOTE TO:

    For Flipping
    1) Absentee equity mid term out of state
    2) Absentee equity mid term out of city
    3) Absentee equity mid term in city
    4) Owner Occupied equity long term ownership
    5) Inherited
    6) Probate
    7) Mortgage Late 60-119 days
    8) NOD - Lis Pens
    9) Owner Occupied mid term ownership
    10) QC Deeds

    What is your first list geared to?

  • Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    14y
    Originally posted by Rusty Thompson:
    Bryan Hancock How are you using the yellow letters combined with credit scores to hone in on deals? I imagine you would end up sending a lot of letters to people who don't own houses. Are you scrubbing them against the property database?

    I don't send these anymore Rusty. We don't source commercial property this way. My investing has changed a lot since the yellow letter days many years ago.

  • Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles/Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2011 · 102 posts · 14 votes
    14y

    Originally posted by Rusty Thompson

    [b]Bryan Hancock How are you using the yellow letters combined with credit scores to hone in on deals? I imagine you would end up sending a lot of letters to people who don't own houses. Are you scrubbing them against the property database?

    I don't send these anymore Rusty. We don't source commercial property this way. My investing has changed a lot since the yellow letter days many years ago.

    So Bryan Hancock, is this not a good method to use to contact sellers of commercial? I ask because I am setting up a marketing campaign for multi-family owners (up to 50 units)...small change to be sure, but a great niche to start out with. Obviously, non-owner occupied, but also out of area/state. What are your thoughts?

  • Goshen, KY · Member since 2009 · 835 posts · 683 votes
    14y

    Yellow post cards or letters are fine for most groups of people. But, I never send them to probates. I only send very professional "white" letters (never post cards) to them. You have to be very mindful that they have lost someone. I have great results with those probate letters.

  • Real Estate Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2011 · 74 posts · 25 votes
    14y

    Sharon, I havent sent a ton of letters out to probate-only about 60-but I dont believe I got one call from them. I did send white professional letters actually. Do you get many responses after your first attempt at contacting them or after numerous? Also how soon do you send the letters to them? I have heard anywhere from within 30 days of them filing probate to waiting 4 to 6 months in the process. It is a kind of touchy subject because you want to be timely-but you also dont want to wait to long until they have already auctioned it off or something else.....

  • Involved In Real Estate · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2012 · 10 posts · 0 votes
    14y

    @Sharon Vornholt would you mind sharing the professional white letter you use for probates?

    Thank you!

  • Member since 2012 · 83 posts · 1 vote
    14y

    I use the yellow letter, I love them! I been getting a great response because in my opinion the yellow letter is more "personal" unlike postcards where everything is "computerized". When people see you took the time to personally write a yellow letter your response rate will go up. This is just from my experience, everybody is different.

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