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Real Estate Investor · fort lauderdale, Florida


This property is in texas i'm not sure how the owner got himself into this trouble but he has a great 1st mortgage. 5,200,000 @ 5.38 percent for 30 years and 99% occupancy.

he's losing 20k per year

he wants me to assume the loan at 250k + 50k assumption fee so for 300k i can have a property that is losing cash.

this property has great upside though his rents average 300 per month for his 278 units while market rents in the area for similar properties average 550 - 600.

so do you guys think this is a good deal to move forward with?
talking with some other management companies they say the rents can be raised over a 6 month period.

what do you guys think about a 400,000 investment to own this property. Also looking at the OM the property also has high expenses paid to the current management company that is not doing a good job.

Owen


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


This property has a lot more problems than the mgmt. Occupancy doesn't matter. It is % of rents COLLECTED. The rents are low, the collections are probably bad, mgmt fees are high and I imagine the expenses are also going to be high.
You have no experience in this kind of mess and will get eaten alive, imo. Do you have 500K min in reserve? Are you going to be an absentee owner? Are you expecting to raise the rent? Age of property and is it a 2 pipe chiller system? Are utilities paid by owner or tenants?
Don't look at this thru rose colored glasses or you'll get "pricked", if you know what I mean.
I'm closing on 154 units in TX friday and not afraid of this type property. You might be better off earning a fee and wholesale or assign it to someone else if the answers above are not good ones for you. Good luck. Rich in Houston airport,,,waiting!!


Real Estate Investor · fort lauderdale, Florida


The property in in houston do you want to take a look at it?


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I'll take a quick look at the financials on it. Leave address out and post info on here. Many posters have experience in evaluating the property and can give their thoughts also. Rich


Real Estate Investor · fort lauderdale, Florida


current rents
1BR / 1BA 52 450 23,400 $333
1BR / 1BA 96 575 55,200 $342
1BR / 1BA 56 700 39,200 $350
2BR / 1BA 40 832 33,280 $441
2BR / 2BA 24 981 23,544 $533
average 374

3 averages in the local area
517, 544, 756

the income projected this year
gross income $1,096,693.74

expenses
taxes 35,755
water/ sewer 129,573
gas 62,761
admin /marketing 22,095
repairs 55,146
labor 145,925
contract serv. 52,508
management 32,901
_______________________
total 536,664
before paying for the note 5,113,200 @ 5.38

there are some really high expenses in there that i'm not too sure about and the projected gross income doesn't seem to be giving off a negative cashflow, again the property is 99% occupied but the rents are around 150 dollar average below the 3 nearest complexes.


Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, Wisconsin


I might be a snob, but I would never touch a property with 300 average rents. That means that there could be rents under 300. I think your tenant's crack habit costs more per day than that.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Owen, They're not giving you the entire picture. Just a quick glance tells me that:
1. No Insurance costs
2. No electric
3. Cap expenditures

Now some questions.
1. What are the ACTUAL collected rents for June or July or both?
2. Age of property?
3. Ghetto location or not?
4. Loan is assumable or balloon?

Rich in TX


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


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Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


I don't think its snobby, just math. With $300 rent, its just about impossible to get $100 in cash flow. If "expenses" are 50%, and all evidence for apartments says they are at least that, that leaves you $150 in NOI. You want $100 and that leaves you $50 for debt service. That will support a $7,500 loan. Even with 25% down, that's $10K a unit.

At $500, you have $150 for debt service, which supports $22.5K a unit.

I think 50% for expenses is more realistic estimate for $500 than $300. With that little rent, anything is a significant dent. Or else you really scrimp and it turns into a slum.

Applying the usual math, I get a value of $3.6M as it sets. If you could get the rents up to $550, it would be worth $7.3M. But don't buy on what could be, buy on what is. If the current owner had the rents higher, it would be worth more. He should fix the problems THEN sell it for a higher price. This will be a huge and expensive effort to add that value.

Are these tenants all on month-to-month? If not, you can't raise their rents until the lease expires. If you raise rents from $375 to $550 all at once your vacancies will skyrocket. You may say, well, they can't move to any of the nearby complexes for that price. True, but they will move somewhere. I daresay if you raise rents from $375 to $400 you'll see some people move out. So, the real question is whether or not there's enough demand to refill the units.

Have you been inside these units and the other complexes? How do they compare? If yours are dumpy, and I'll bet you dollars to donuts they are compared to the others, people will go to the others.

Are you prepared to personally inspect each and every one of the 278 units?

Have you ever ran anything like this?

Do you have $1M available?

If that loans a balloon, how long till it pops? I really think we may see much higher interest rates in a few years. I'd sure want to lock in long term, low rate financing. If rates are 10% when your balloon is due, the economics are much different.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · fort lauderdale, Florida


Im waiting for the responses from broker i'll updated as i get the info but I think this deal might need too much for me to invest in.


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