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Wholesaler · Richmond, Virginia


I've been dealing with this seller for about a month now and he doesn't like the closing attorney that we are working with. I'll agree that the attorny has been making the seller jump through hoops but I'm trying to get this deal done. To make a long story short, I still have a valid contract but my seller told me that he will now sell the property to another investor.

My question is, how do I prevent this from happening? I know that I can record the contract and cloud the title but how do I go about this in Washington D.C?


Multi-family Investor · South Jordan, Utah


Wouldn't it be easier to just change your attorney?


Wholesaler · Richmond, Virginia


The seller has poa for his mother who is the owner of the property. There was a lot of research that has went along with this deal that's why it took so long. It wIll take just as long with another settlement company. Plus there is a double assignment on this contract, that's another issue that would have to be dealt with if we switch title companies.


Wholesaler · Tampa, Florida


Clouding the title is never a route I opted to take, Mike, even when a situation similar to yours appeared. I always looked at it as fighting someone you need to make the deal happen. And I always thought that to be bad for business, in the long run.

I preferred to allow the seller to do what he felt was best for him. And, if the deal fell apart, offering the opportunity to come back and get it done with me. Most of the time, the seller ended up coming back, and we got the deal done. Why? Because most wholesalers out there are clowns, who couldn't close a deal if their life depended on it.

The last thing you want to do is make the seller's life more stressful than it already is...


Real Estate Investor · Union, New Jersey


Totally agree with Andrew. As a wholesaler and rehabber for 11 years, I can tell you that the LAST thing you want to do is push your seller into a corner. They can soil your name on and offline, get the state bulldog (Atty. General) on you and/or a whole host of issues you simply don't want over one deal.

The attorney should have been handled differently EARLY on in the deal if you ask me. It soulds like the attorney has been communicating directly with the seller. If so, that may have been mistake #1. First I always get a consumer-friendly (as opposed to investor-friendly) attorney for my sellers (and buyers, if need be). Someone whose personable and patient.

Second, if the attorney has a lot of requests for my seller, I FIRST see what is it that I can actually do and avoid bothering the seller with. I then take the ones the seller must do on their own and bring them to the seller myself. Every wholesaler should have a well established rapport with their seller. So that when they come to the seller with pain in the butt stuff to do, it comes across better than it would from an impatient attorney or his rushed assistant.

Third, that established rapport also helps you to avoid your deal being circumvented by another investor. Most of my (buy) deals take anywhere from 5-16 months to process and close. During the process I end up needing a lot from sellers. But in the end they are grateful I was patient enough to work with their problem real estate (their words and viewpoint, not mind) and are amazed I will willing to do so much work to get it done. And I get a great deal I couldn't have dreamed of getting on the mls.

So Mike, try going back and reviewing your relationship with the seller and how you handled this deal. The key, imo, is to avoid aggravating the seller. Pay them a fee for working with you (especially in the case of someone with a POA and whose not getting paid). Help them out with other non-real estate related problems they may be having. Something. But taking the legal route and clouding title is usually NOT the answer. Good luck.



From my experience if you let the seller know that you have lost time, money and energy on this deal and let him know that you have no other choice then to take him to court and also let him know that your attorney will be contacting him, most likely he will respond more positively :). The bottom line is jumping through hoops is part of the closing process and what really happened is he probably got a higher offer from the other investor. So, DONT LET IT HAPPEN!


Wholesaler · Dallas, Texas


Fax a copy to a court runner and pay them to record it.

Find them under legal services.


Real Estate Investor · Lakeland, Florida


If the seller think about working with another. My guess from experience is someone is sneaking him from under you. Maybe the closing attorney maybe your end buyer or previous who are aware of the deal. You really need to protect your deals.


Real Estate Investor


File a "notice of contract" with the county/city recorder of deeds. Once you do this, it will protect your interest in the property.

After you have done this, then explain to the seller what you have done and try to work out from there.

Don't wave it in his face, but explain that you file "a notice of contract" on all of your purchase to protect your interest in the deals that you put so much time and effort into. Usually the seller will come around.


Rehabber · Silver Spring, Maryland


If I were you I'd simple walk away- To fight this or cloud someones title means that you feel this is the only deal available- there will be no more sellers- there will be no more great deals.
As anyone who is long term can tell you there is always another house and always another motivated seller. Move on- or at least I would


SFR Investor · Ocala/Belleview, Florida


Hi Mike,

You should listen to Ophelia and Andrew. Let the seller know that you will be there for them if they need you again. Let them know they may face the same situation with the new investor and that you are closer than anyone to closing the deal. Be as compassionate as possible, and do not cause them extra stress. Chances are they will realize you have their best interest at heart and stick with you.

Best Wishes

Rodney


Real Estate Investor


I personally think that if you have blood, sweat, and tears in this deal and you know in your heart you can get it done then you have every right to file a notice of contract.

Sports teams use contracts and hold their players accountable, corporations enforce their contracts, and everyone else in the business World expects that when a contract is signed that it is fulfilled or else they go to arbitration or litigation.

***LET ME ASK YOU THIS***

if you were in contract with this homeowner, he was ready to sell, all your contingency dates have come and gone, no outs left in the contract, you have $1,000 earnest money on the table, and at the last second you can't close........do you think the homeowner would simply say "oh thats ok just take your earnest money and go" Ha, they would snatch it up in a second. Why??? Because you are in Contract and could not perform as the contract states!!!!

Do what you want, but if you have a lot of time and effort in this thing and the seller is simply trying to get out to shop for a higher offer, then I would hold him accountable for the contract he signed. Simple as that.


Real Estate Investor · Bakersfield, California


The issue isn't whether you're right or wrong it is about the highest and best use of your time and energy. I have a clause in my agreement which calls for the seller to pay $50,000 in damages if they fail to honor the agreement to purchase.

And it also calls for the recording of a memorandum of contract. However at the end of the day these tools are really there for the seller who may be on the fence on canceling without cause.

Those who want to cancel I tend to dump into the 80/20 rule and go buy another house.

The reality is that if we do enough prospecting the fallouts don't hurt.

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1. If you want to cloud the title, then you should've got permission at the time the contract was signed. The seller would sign and notarize a Memorandum of Purchase Agreement (or whatever they call it locally) and the escrow agent would record it when opening escrow. You would also sign and notarize a full release to be recorded by the escrow agent upon conclusion of the contract.

2. Clouding a title has serious legal ramifications. I recommend getting an experienced real estate attorney to advise you on your specific situation.

I am not a lawyer. Nothing here should be construed as legal advice. Next time, use an attorney.


Residential Real Estate Broker · Atlanta, Georgia


I recently ran across a similar situation here in Atlanta. The seller's family got involved and....well long story short -- the seller did not want to sell it.

After speaking with a couple of attorneys and getting advice about any cases with precedence we quickly realized that a Lis Pendens could not be filed without a lawsuit first being filed. Now, we're starting to talk about time and money.

What was also told to me was the chances of suing for "specific performance" would be hard to do and could take some time. The laws, here in Georgia anyway, did not make it easy to do. The alternative was to get a monetary judgement filed against the seller. Sure, you could do that...it would cost some money. But, in the end are you really going to get anything out of the seller? Probably not.

The bottom line is if a seller doesn't want to sell the house it's probably not worth the time or energy to fight it. There are plenty of deals out there so we chose to move on.

That's just my opinion, but that's what happened. Hopefully this helps out a bit.

Thanks,
Manesh

Small_networth_atl_logoManesh Hardeo, Networth Realty of Atlanta, LLC
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Wholesaler · Richmond, Virginia


Michael Quarles - do you have a sample of the contract that you use? I would like to see how you place that in there.


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


I remember this deal when you first started talking about it. It was trouble when you first started and I remember someone saying if the deal starts out crappy its probably an indication of how the deal will turn out.

Anyway, I'm with Dan K. I never had to do it but I was taught if a seller renegs...file your contract with the county clerks office.

I would talk to an RE attorney just to confirm if its a good tatic but you acted on good faith...so should the seler.


Real Estate Investor · Bakersfield, California


Mike N. I do, if you want a copy send me an email.

Small_ylmMichael Quarles, Yellow Letter Mail
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Wholesaler · Corona, California


The seller stating they are backing out and going to sell to another investor is nothing more than an object and you need to learn how to handle this objection.

If the seller threatens to sell because of the hurdles, you need to get on the phone and deal with the seller. Be patient, sympathetic, and understanding. You need to explain that no matter who he sells to, he would have had to go through these same steps because of the POA. Reassure him that you are so close to the finish line it would be a huge disappointment if he backed out now. Also tell him that if he cancels the contract with you and sells to another investor, he will have to do all the same stuff all over again and then ask him if that is what he wants to do.

I will offer to get in between the attorney and the seller and let the seller know he doesn't have to deal with the attorney any longer if he doesn't like to and that he can deal only with me or maybe the attorney's secretary. This is an easy objection to handle and threatening court action is not how it is going to get done.




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