Any advice from a California Landlord that's recently undergone an eviction?

Any advice from a California Landlord that's recently undergone an eviction?

Member since 2022 · 20 posts · 7 votes

I'm learning some hard lessons on my second rental property purchase here in California. I inherited 2 tenants that have refused to pay rent since closing on the property in late October. In late November I served a 60-day notice to vacate on the grounds of extensive remodeling. I also offered cash (triple their rent) in hopes they would vacate. By January 20th one of the two tenants refused to leave. Instead, the remaining tenant has allowed 5 other people to move into the property (I believe she's collecting rent from them). The tenant that did leave said they are destroying the property and stripping it to buy/sell meth. That they are armed and he was too scared to stay there anymore. I have called the cops and the Sherriff's office for help but they will not do anything. I asked if I could just at least find out the identification of everyone that is living in my home so that they can be served and charged for destruction of property, and both tell me it is a civil matter and to seek legal counsel (I do and that bill is just racking up without much progress). I know this story is just one of many, but is there something I am missing? Is there really no protection at all as a rental property owner and everyone just gets away without repercussions? Should I do monthly check-ins with future tenants to make sure no "Doe's" are residing in the property? I'm just curious if there's any advice that might slow down the gray hairs I've started to get from this messed up situation.  

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Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
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@Shireen Y. Sorry to hear you are going thru this, seriously it is completely unconstitutional and un-American.

On the other hand, you chose to do business as a landlord in the deep blue state of California, I assume you did your research and still chose to do it....?

The smart thing to do is to do what many thousands of others (including myself) have done and vote with your feet and pocketbook and move out of that hellhole.

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  • Rental Property Investor · North Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y.

    It is difficult being a landlord in any state; however, being a landlord in a very tenant-friendly state makes that job even harder. I used to own rentals in New England for years and after going through COVID, I vowed never to own another rental in a tenant-friendly state. I think the best course of action is to avoid purchasing any new rental properties in California. There are many other good markets in the US that will provide you with more protection than California. California is a beautiful state but, it is not the most ideal for landlords. 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y. Sorry to hear you are going thru this, seriously it is completely unconstitutional and un-American.

    On the other hand, you chose to do business as a landlord in the deep blue state of California, I assume you did your research and still chose to do it....?

    The smart thing to do is to do what many thousands of others (including myself) have done and vote with your feet and pocketbook and move out of that hellhole.

  • Member since 2022 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Shireen Y. Sorry to hear you are going thru this, seriously it is completely unconstitutional and un-American.

    On the other hand, you chose to do business as a landlord in the deep blue state of California, I assume you did your research and still chose to do it....?

    The smart thing to do is to do what many thousands of others (including myself) have done and vote with your feet and pocketbook and move out of that hellhole.


    I did. Unfortunately, it has always been home and I didn't think I had the resources to be an out-of-state landlord. I had no idea it would be this complicated or be in such a helpless position. Getting out looks to be the goal since there is no way this can be sustainable. Thank you

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Guerrilla landlording 101

    You need to go in person with a bodyguard buddy. What city is this?

    Attorney process is going to take a year or two. When you get possession the plumbing, fixtures and everything will be ripped out. Eviction costs huge cash. Do you have $150000 saved for this problem?

    Video activity, take photos of tenants, ask neighbors for names and license plates, get the names and crimes on film. Post their photos and videos on Youtube. Be ready for the push back and threats.

    Security lighting, bonuses for neighbors to call the police, get a security guard in place someone with military experience (best if they move in with the problem).

    MAINTAIN FIRE INSURANCE and don't whine to your agent.

    It is not the police department's job to fix this nightmare.

    NEVER AGAIN close with existing tenants. The reason the old landlord sold is they could not deal with the problems.

    If you want some off line tips feel free to call me. When I started I owned D locations in California. Also worked doing default for banks. 

    Sell if you cannot manage personally and daily. Dry rot must be 110% removed as it comes back overnight.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Shireen Y. Sorry to hear you are going thru this, seriously it is completely unconstitutional and un-American.

    On the other hand, you chose to do business as a landlord in the deep blue state of California, I assume you did your research and still chose to do it....?

    The smart thing to do is to do what many thousands of others (including myself) have done and vote with your feet and pocketbook and move out of that hellhole.


    I did. Unfortunately, it has always been home and I didn't think I had the resources to be an out-of-state landlord. I had no idea it would be this complicated or be in such a helpless position. Getting out looks to be the goal since there is no way this can be sustainable. Thank you


    I am sincerely so sorry for you. You may have to suck it up and lose $$ on this one, but you will have an incredible learning experience! And if you have to continue to live in CA, then invest your money OOS. Best of luck!

  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:

    I'm learning some hard lessons on my second rental property purchase here in California. I inherited 2 tenants that have refused to pay rent since closing on the property in late October. In late November I served a 60-day notice to vacate on the grounds of extensive remodeling. I also offered cash (triple their rent) in hopes they would vacate. By January 20th one of the two tenants refused to leave. Instead, the remaining tenant has allowed 5 other people to move into the property (I believe she's collecting rent from them). The tenant that did leave said they are destroying the property and stripping it to buy/sell meth. That they are armed and he was too scared to stay there anymore. I have called the cops and the Sherriff's office for help but they will not do anything. I asked if I could just at least find out the identification of everyone that is living in my home so that they can be served and charged for destruction of property, and both tell me it is a civil matter and to seek legal counsel (I do and that bill is just racking up without much progress). I know this story is just one of many, but is there something I am missing? Is there really no protection at all as a rental property owner and everyone just gets away without repercussions? Should I do monthly check-ins with future tenants to make sure no "Doe's" are residing in the property? I'm just curious if there's any advice that might slow down the gray hairs I've started to get from this messed up situation.  


    So you served your 60 day notice. I assume you did it to the letter of the law. Let me repeat---to the letter of the law. If you did, find yourself an experienced eviction attorney and start evicting. If you didn't do it properly, start over under an attorneys guidance. I don't know LA specifically but since you're doing a remodel, it's possible in a hell hole like LA that you have to pay the tenant 3 months rent, yes, check the law under "just cause" tenant removal. Get the little turd ball served by your attorney and get things moving. You don't need names. Eviction will say "All" on the property. A good eviction attorney should see this through for a few grand, any more, keep looking for a fairer price.  THEN, after you are done with your remodel, you may have to offer the turd ball 1st option to move back in. That's the way it is in Seattle. Check the law.  IF you go full eviction that probably won't be a concern. Good luck.  I love LA, just don't be a landlord there.
  • Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 7 votes
    3y

    Are you in Merced CA or Los Angeles? All properties in California that are not under local rent control are now under Calif Statewide rent control courtesy of AB 1482 and their are restrictions on evictions I believe.

  • Member since 2022 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Derrick Ruiz:

    Are you in Merced CA or Los Angeles?


    The property is located in Chico, CA but I am in Modesto, CA.
  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y.

    That's not too bad of a drive, but it is a drive. I had similar situations several times. I dealt with it personally the first few times and those tenants never returned. Then I tried the legal route and served papers/filed in court. It took time and wasted my time. These days I call an eviction attorney.

    My personal methods involve staking out the place through several nights to get a good head count and understand the tenants/guests routines. Get to know the lay out of the neighborhood and study the ingress and egress as well as local police response times. Taking matters into your own hands against criminals and addicts is not for the faint of heart. You need go accept the dangers that come with it and how the law will see it if your tactics do not succeed quickly. I'm not sure of your background or if you have friends that can take secrets to the grave. If not, please see option 2.

    Option 2

    Use the services of a local eviction attorney. It's really cheap and easy compared to what you would have to do. I find that an eviction attorney is worth their weight. Should run you about $1000 to $3000. They take care of the paperwork, service, court filing, and trial. You just sit back and get your tools ready to go renovate.

    My first few legal evictions wasted a lot of my time. My last 3 evictions were through an eviction attorney and it cost me about $1300 each. One went to trial. 2 were in San Bernadino county and 1 was in Kern.

    Best of luck. I dont invest that far north, but I do know that eviction attorneys have a network. I'm sure there are some up there.

    • Member since 2022 · 241 posts · 62 votes
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      Quote from @Sam Yin:

      @Shireen Y.

      That's not too bad of a drive, but it is a drive. I had similar situations several times. I dealt with it personally the first few times and those tenants never returned. Then I tried the legal route and served papers/filed in court. It took time and wasted my time. These days I call an eviction attorney.

      My personal methods involve staking out the place through several nights to get a good head count and understand the tenants/guests routines. Get to know the lay out of the neighborhood and study the ingress and egress as well as local police response times. Taking matters into your own hands against criminals and addicts is not for the faint of heart. You need go accept the dangers that come with it and how the law will see it if your tactics do not succeed quickly. I'm not sure of your background or if you have friends that can take secrets to the grave. If not, please see option 2.

      Option 2

      Use the services of a local eviction attorney. It's really cheap and easy compared to what you would have to do. I find that an eviction attorney is worth their weight. Should run you about $1000 to $3000. They take care of the paperwork, service, court filing, and trial. You just sit back and get your tools ready to go renovate.

      My first few legal evictions wasted a lot of my time. My last 3 evictions were through an eviction attorney and it cost me about $1300 each. One went to trial. 2 were in San Bernadino county and 1 was in Kern.

      Best of luck. I dont invest that far north, but I do know that eviction attorneys have a network. I'm sure there are some up there.


       What attorney did you use? I am in a similar boat and attorney is mentioning 5k retainer. But there's also like 6 or 7 people floating around the property too.

  • Member since 2022 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    @Shireen Y.

    That's not too bad of a drive, but it is a drive. I had similar situations several times. I dealt with it personally the first few times and those tenants never returned. Then I tried the legal route and served papers/filed in court. It took time and wasted my time. These days I call an eviction attorney.

    My personal methods involve staking out the place through several nights to get a good head count and understand the tenants/guests routines. Get to know the lay out of the neighborhood and study the ingress and egress as well as local police response times. Taking matters into your own hands against criminals and addicts is not for the faint of heart. You need go accept the dangers that come with it and how the law will see it if your tactics do not succeed quickly. I'm not sure of your background or if you have friends that can take secrets to the grave. If not, please see option 2.

    Option 2

    Use the services of a local eviction attorney. It's really cheap and easy compared to what you would have to do. I find that an eviction attorney is worth their weight. Should run you about $1000 to $3000. They take care of the paperwork, service, court filing, and trial. You just sit back and get your tools ready to go renovate.

    My first few legal evictions wasted a lot of my time. My last 3 evictions were through an eviction attorney and it cost me about $1300 each. One went to trial. 2 were in San Bernadino county and 1 was in Kern.

    Best of luck. I dont invest that far north, but I do know that eviction attorneys have a network. I'm sure there are some up there.


     Thank you, Sam. I think I am being pushed to option 1. The attorney bill for last month was $3,200 and an unlawful detainer hasn't even been filed yet. Most of the charges are "attention to file" and "conferences" with his paralegal. I would have loved to have found an attorney to do it for $1,300. 

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    @Shireen Y.

    That's not too bad of a drive, but it is a drive. I had similar situations several times. I dealt with it personally the first few times and those tenants never returned. Then I tried the legal route and served papers/filed in court. It took time and wasted my time. These days I call an eviction attorney.

    My personal methods involve staking out the place through several nights to get a good head count and understand the tenants/guests routines. Get to know the lay out of the neighborhood and study the ingress and egress as well as local police response times. Taking matters into your own hands against criminals and addicts is not for the faint of heart. You need go accept the dangers that come with it and how the law will see it if your tactics do not succeed quickly. I'm not sure of your background or if you have friends that can take secrets to the grave. If not, please see option 2.

    Option 2

    Use the services of a local eviction attorney. It's really cheap and easy compared to what you would have to do. I find that an eviction attorney is worth their weight. Should run you about $1000 to $3000. They take care of the paperwork, service, court filing, and trial. You just sit back and get your tools ready to go renovate.

    My first few legal evictions wasted a lot of my time. My last 3 evictions were through an eviction attorney and it cost me about $1300 each. One went to trial. 2 were in San Bernadino county and 1 was in Kern.

    Best of luck. I dont invest that far north, but I do know that eviction attorneys have a network. I'm sure there are some up there.


     Thank you, Sam. I think I am being pushed to option 1. The attorney bill for last month was $3,200 and an unlawful detainer hasn't even been filed yet. Most of the charges are "attention to file" and "conferences" with his paralegal. I would have loved to have found an attorney to do it for $1,300. 


     That's crazy! For 1300, I got the consult (free) paperwork and service to the tenants (180), court filing (250), and the rest was for the trial.  Either those attorneys are the only game in town, or you did not go to an attorney that ONLY does evictions, or they are gouging you.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:

    Then you should re-read his post. Carefully. It involves a certain amount of danger. Maybe you already have a CCW permit, but seeing as how you're from that state, I doubt it. You need some biker, or better, SpecOp friends.....


  • Member since 2022 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:

    Then you should re-read his post. Carefully. It involves a certain amount of danger. Maybe you already have a CCW permit, but seeing as how you're from that state, I doubt it. You need some biker, or better, SpecOp friends.....



     I don't have the permit since it is difficult to get but I definitely have the protection that would be required. I was just trying to do it the "right" way first. Thank you all for your advice and help.  

  • Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 7 votes
    3y

    Guys you are crazee if you think you can strong arm tenants or threaten them in any way and get a way with it. Any talk about CCW or weapons is nutz. Stop talking about bikers or Spec Ops. That is the fastest way to jail as the courts are sympathetic to tenants and unjust to landlords. For you not in Cali you have no idea about the laws our pathetic politicos pass. If you are not in a rent control city Berkeley, Beverly Hills, East Palo Alto, Hayward, Los Angeles, Los Gatos, Oakland, Palm Springs, San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Monica, West Hollywood then you are automatically under The Cal Tenant Protection Act of 2019 AB1482 (with some exceptions). Here is the link to the law  <<click here

    Find a competent attorney. And be very careful of buying small rental properties in low class areas with tenants in place. Did you look at their rental applications? Does their lease say if the can sublet or have people move in? If it was me I would offer the tenants way more the 3 months rent to get out. 3 months? Pfft no one will move for that. Prob more like 10k. And if/when they get out file an insurance claim with your ins company for the damage. That's about all you can do at this point. 


  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:

    Then you should re-read his post. Carefully. It involves a certain amount of danger. Maybe you already have a CCW permit, but seeing as how you're from that state, I doubt it. You need some biker, or better, SpecOp friends.....


    Correct.

    @Shireen Y Please read carefully. I understand your frustrations.  Option 1 must be thought out carefully and without any emotion involved.

    Otherwise, stick with option 2 and let it play out. It is the reality of Landlording, especially in tertiary markets. I can say with confidence that there are parts of CA that will understand your plight.

    Years ago, before it got overpopulated, I lived in Chino, CA (not Chico) where it was predominantly farm land. Behind me was a veal farm where they raise lambs for veal. Next to me was a church and the Pastor lived on the property.

    There was a rash of coyote attacks in the neighborhood. They tore up my neighbors horses and goats and my chickens. They attacked the lambs one night. I happen to be out front chatting with my neighbors and the Pastor when the veal farmer drove by and asked if we saw a pack of coyotes. She said she got one but there were a few more in the area. 

    The Pastor told his son to go grab some riffles and pass them out. My neighbor got his shot guns for him and his wife. The police was called and one came by. We were all in front of my yard holding long guns and coming up with a plan. To my surprise, the cop said (while still seated in his patrol car) for us to spead out and stay on one side while he drives around the block and push the coyotes over to us.

    Places like this is where you can likely take matters into your own hands against these bad tenants. Your community will support your efforts. But if you do not, or have not, lived in Chico, you may need to stake it out longer and get a feel of the community. I know it rural up there but it's a college town.

    Another possibility is if you observe narcotic activity, possible prostitution, juveniles put in danger and the place appears to be a drug house or methlab, the police will get involved. You just need to recognize the actions that are consistent with these illegal activities that require police action. This way you keep your hands clean.
  • Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y. Have you contacted an eviction attorney? If they haven't paid rent, you should be able to evict them. As long as you have 1 name you can say and ALL other occupants.

    Inheriting tenants is very delicate. Hope you got it at a good price where you have some cushion for these situations.

    Experienced something similar. Long story short - Bought a 4plex, inherited all tenants. Seller hid information, ended up having to evict all 4 during COVID. I got the last one about 3 weeks ago.

    Make sure to have a good lawyer or property management that can help you with this situation

  • Investor · Anchorage, AK · Member since 2015 · 267 posts · 76 votes
    3y

    Contact an eviction service or an eviction attorney.  If there is none based in Chico, look for one based in Sacramento or Redding that is willing to travel to the court house in the Chico area.  There are some law practices  that cover several counties because they have several attorneys.  Look at the Martindale-Hubbell legal directory and other online directories for lawyer referrals / ratings

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    @Shireen Y.

    That's not too bad of a drive, but it is a drive. I had similar situations several times. I dealt with it personally the first few times and those tenants never returned. Then I tried the legal route and served papers/filed in court. It took time and wasted my time. These days I call an eviction attorney.

    My personal methods involve staking out the place through several nights to get a good head count and understand the tenants/guests routines. Get to know the lay out of the neighborhood and study the ingress and egress as well as local police response times. Taking matters into your own hands against criminals and addicts is not for the faint of heart. You need go accept the dangers that come with it and how the law will see it if your tactics do not succeed quickly. I'm not sure of your background or if you have friends that can take secrets to the grave. If not, please see option 2.

    Option 2

    Use the services of a local eviction attorney. It's really cheap and easy compared to what you would have to do. I find that an eviction attorney is worth their weight. Should run you about $1000 to $3000. They take care of the paperwork, service, court filing, and trial. You just sit back and get your tools ready to go renovate.

    My first few legal evictions wasted a lot of my time. My last 3 evictions were through an eviction attorney and it cost me about $1300 each. One went to trial. 2 were in San Bernadino county and 1 was in Kern.

    Best of luck. I dont invest that far north, but I do know that eviction attorneys have a network. I'm sure there are some up there.


     Thank you, Sam. I think I am being pushed to option 1. The attorney bill for last month was $3,200 and an unlawful detainer hasn't even been filed yet. Most of the charges are "attention to file" and "conferences" with his paralegal. I would have loved to have found an attorney to do it for $1,300. 

    Just for reference: Evictions in Maricopa County (Phoenix) are $530 and take 30 days. Not trying to pour salt on a wound, but that's why where you invest is so important. I sold all my properties in Seattle because of the kind of problems you are having now. At some point "investing here because it's "home" (in a tenant friendly city) just isn't viable anymore.
  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Shireen Y.:

    Then you should re-read his post. Carefully. It involves a certain amount of danger. Maybe you already have a CCW permit, but seeing as how you're from that state, I doubt it. You need some biker, or better, SpecOp friends.....

    Correct.


    @Shireen Y Please read carefully. I understand your frustrations.  Option 1 must be thought out carefully and without any emotion involved.


    This works but I can't tell you why I know. ;-)

    When a few dead rats are dropped down a chimney or a vent, it doesn't take long before the smell gets so bad that people start vacating the situation. I don't think a skunk was involved but that would be the icing on the cake. Yeah, it takes a little airing out after the fact, but the vermin are gone.

    Another one happened with cockroaches and fleas, but that's for another time.

    No police needed, no eviction costs.

  • Investor · NV and CA · Member since 2016 · 374 posts · 227 votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y.- I'm an attorney who does evictions in Butte County, CA and surrounding areas.  Not sure why you were charged $3,200 so far with no eviction filed yet.  Did one of the tenants file bankruptcy?  

  • Investor · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    This is why “affordable” properties in D neighborhoods are no bargain. Have never had to evict in 20 years as a landlord.

  • Dylan VargasPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Chico, CA · Member since 2016 · 633 posts · 336 votes
    3y

    @Shireen Y. Welcome! I live here in Chico. D neighborhoods are few and far between but are here. We have eviction attorneys in Butte County. You need a local one. I am concerned your attorney is not an eviction attorney. You need a specific attorney and a local one. I can drive by and scope the house out for you, just message me. We also have a local REI Group and I can reach out to them for you. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Fabian Wizenfeld:

    @Shireen Y. Have you contacted an eviction attorney? If they haven't paid rent, you should be able to evict them. As long as you have 1 name you can say and ALL other occupants.

    This is in the state of California.....

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Derrick Ruiz:

    Guys you are crazee if you think you can strong arm tenants or threaten them in any way and get a way with it. Any talk about CCW or weapons is nutz. Stop talking about bikers or Spec Ops. 

    Any such references were meant only to protect the OP (Property owner) if she chose to go with Option 1. We are all too wise and seasoned to go around threatening tenants.... :-)

  • Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Fabian Wizenfeld:

    @Shireen Y. Have you contacted an eviction attorney? If they haven't paid rent, you should be able to evict them. As long as you have 1 name you can say and ALL other occupants.

    This is in the state of California.....

     @Bruce Woodruff yes, it is in California.

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