Add a second bathroom in second floor master?

Add a second bathroom in second floor master?

Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes

Hello,

I bought a bungalow in a middle class neighborhood in Michigan, centrally located and close to a very nice downtown (not detroit!) but the house is in the service drive of a highway, it's a pain to back out into the service drive (although could turn the car around by going into the grass area at the back of the house), that's why I got it cheaper than other houses in the area, 29K and putting about 20K in renovations. I'm renovating the entire first floor which has 2 bedrooms, brand new bathroom and brand new kitchen, the master bedroom is in the second floor and it's not bad so I'm leaving it alone. Houses in the area compared to mine are renting around $1,000 per month, so the cons are my property is in a service drive, no basement, and no central air (no biggie in michigan but being on a service drive and considering car fumes might have to install one) pros are most houses won't be as nice as mine, renovated, nice open layout and 2 car garage.

Now to the question, I'm concerned that the master has no bathroom, so the renter will have to go downstairs to use the bathroom. How big of a deterrent would this be for a renter? Could it be worth it to add a bathroom in the second floor? I estimate it will cost me about $4,000 to put a small bathroom.

Thanks for the feedback in advance!

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Rental Property Investor · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 60 posts · 26 votes
12y

Hey Roy,

We always put a second bath in the basement of our rentals- whether a ranch or bungalow. Much more cost effective that way and like others have mentioned on this thread- people don't expect a bathroom on the upper floor of a bungalow around here. We've bought a few bungalows in South Redford where they have already been there and that's a nice bonus- but like I said we always put second baths in the basements.

I don't know- no basement and on a main road? Both of those factors are deal breakers for me. Is it too late to back out?:)

If you can't back out I would do what @Rob K. said and just rent it is-as. Save your money.

I see you're from Oak Park. My partner and I own 3 properties there. Anyway, there's an investor meeting this Tuesday at Sila's in Berkley (12 and Greenfield)- from 6-9pm. I'ts a great meeting. Check it out

Good Luck! Mike D

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  • Involved In Real Estate · My City, NJ · Member since 2013 · 181 posts · 81 votes
    12y

    I would add a "master bath", most people won't want to run downstairs to use the bathroom.

    I've done this same scenario a few times, added a bathroom to a second floor bedroom to make it a "master suite". Without it, it's just a 3rd bedroom, not a master as what people have come to expect when they hear "Master BR".

    The downside about these houses with a master on a different floor than the other two bedrooms is that people with younger kids wont want to be on a different floor than them, it hurts us for rental, as well selling the home later on. Not on price, but the amount of lookers that are ok with that or want that situation. People with older kids / teens like that kind of BR layout. ** When I advertise these homes for rent, I always explain that the master is on the second & the other BR's are on the first, nothing worst than wasting time to show the home to people who will never want it at any price because of the layout of the BR's.

  • Real Estate Investor · Madison Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 693 posts · 216 votes
    12y

    I don't even look at properties on major roads or service drive. Makes the exit that much more a pain.

    A "master" bedroom has to have a bathroom with a tub/shower and a nice big closet.

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the feedback guys, George, my target renters are not families, it would be young professionals, young couples. Might be worth it to add the second bathroom, if I do it now is the time to do it while renovations are going on.

    Scott, I know, I was leery of the service drive, but loved the layout of the house and the inside is going to look killer but it's the worst spot out of all the houses in the service drive! lol, it's a gamble and I'm very nervous about how it will turn out for me. I will tell you this story, I was looking at a house on a major road (I was looking for a house for me to live in), the realtor told me not to buy the house, will be very hard to sell, she was right BUT I bought it anyways b/c I liked the layout and close to a very popular downtown, then I moved to another house and made it a rental and it rents like hot pancakes!

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 103 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    @Roy Gutierrez Would it be less expensive to turn the downstairs bedrooms into a larger master bedroom and a small 2nd bedroom, then convert the bungalow portion into one or two additional bedrooms?

    Most people want their masters to have a full shower and the master, along with the kitchen, are the main selling points to tenants.

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Scott, just noticed you're in Michigan as well, it's a typical bungalow here, the master is smaller sized and the closet will be basically sacrificed for the bathroom, maybe what would be left are shelves and I could provide some of those hanging racks for clothing storage

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2013 · 788 posts · 285 votes
    12y

    Bungalows are very common in the area, 99.9% of them won't have a bathroom upstairs. A 2nd floor bath is not something a tenant will expect/demand if they want to live in a bungalow. You may get a little more rent because of it, but probably not much. Look at the ROI and make a decision based on the numbers.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    12y

    Add a bath. Might consider a dormer out of the roof to add space.

    As to the drive, look for space to add a parking pad off the driveway, it's additional parking and you can back out of a garage into the parking spot and head out the driveway driving forward instead of trying to back out on a busy roadway. :)

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    i have a bungalow on Inkster road, it's 2 lanes each way, without a middle (turn) lane.

    i have no bath upstairs.

    i wish you luck, but you will have a hard time renting it. i hated having to rent that house. i will try to sell it if the tenant does not excercise the option to buy it..

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Adding a bathroom upstairs will turn into a bigger job than you expect. Bungalows in Michigan rarely have an upstairs bath. I would rent it as-is.

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the suggestion Robert, the 2 downstairs are small already. I'm a newbie to this, I will check the ROI and study it.

    George, just curious, is it hard to rent mainly b/c of inskter road AND no bathroom upstairs? or you were you just referring to insker road? Have you had people wanting a bathroom upstairs?

    Rob, you're right, seems not to many houses have a bathroom in the second floor, might not be something that people are expecting to much.

    It seems that it's not needed, just trying to feel if just doing it now that I'm doing reno and fits in the budget it will make finding renters much easier and of course add value to the house vs grabbing that money and putting it into a future property.

    Thanks guys.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    noone even mentioned the bath upstairs... yet, most people bitched about it being on inkster road.

    the major complaint i got was "hard to back up and onto inkster".

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    George, same situation as mine, were they able to have the ability to turn the car around?

    I see all the michigan investors, do you guys go to the real estate investor meetings? I'm looking forward to going to my first one.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    not on the driveway. they have to back out onto inkster road and then go on their way.

    there was a big meeting 2 months ago, but i could not make it. i think aaron yates (sp) led it..

  • Rental Property Investor · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 60 posts · 26 votes
    12y

    Hey Roy,

    We always put a second bath in the basement of our rentals- whether a ranch or bungalow. Much more cost effective that way and like others have mentioned on this thread- people don't expect a bathroom on the upper floor of a bungalow around here. We've bought a few bungalows in South Redford where they have already been there and that's a nice bonus- but like I said we always put second baths in the basements.

    I don't know- no basement and on a main road? Both of those factors are deal breakers for me. Is it too late to back out?:)

    If you can't back out I would do what @Rob K. said and just rent it is-as. Save your money.

    I see you're from Oak Park. My partner and I own 3 properties there. Anyway, there's an investor meeting this Tuesday at Sila's in Berkley (12 and Greenfield)- from 6-9pm. I'ts a great meeting. Check it out

    Good Luck! Mike D

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    George, I feel for you man, that's a tough one, in my property they can actually turn around either in the front or the back (both places going into the grass) but I'm afraid if they turn in the back they might hit the garage or the house eventually!

    Michael, the house in the service drive to late to back out (pun intended!), it's actually by 696 and coolidge, the rental market seems good in oak park (close to downtown royal oak is key), I'm buying another one north of 696 moving in there and renting the current one that I'm living on. A friend of mine has no problems renting his 5 properties there, what is your experience in terms of rental demand in oak park?

    I'll try to make the meeting and learn from the wise veterans like you! I'm an accidental investor, wasn't in my plans but it happened and I'm running with it.

  • Real Estate Investor · Fenton, MI · Member since 2008 · 946 posts · 153 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Roy Gutierrez:

    Now to the question, I'm concerned that the master has no bathroom, so the renter will have to go downstairs to use the bathroom. How big of a deterrent would this be for a renter? Could it be worth it to add a bathroom in the second floor? I estimate it will cost me about $4,000 to put a small bathroom.

    You have already spent a lot. Before my wife and I do a big change to a house we ask ourselves if it will be a deal breaker if we do not do it. I just can't see anyone saying they will not rent your bungalow just because there is no bath there. One 3 bed bungalow we have has only one bath on the first floor.

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Thanks Steve, decided to leave it alone with just the one bath.

    This is for the michigan investors in the area, I'm sure you have gone thru similar stuff with contractors but my Electrician is MIA, if anybody knows of a good one with reasonable rates for a rental, it's not a small job, it's moving a box and running the lines. If you can recommend someone it will be greatly appreciated, thanks!

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2013 · 788 posts · 285 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Roy Gutierrez:
    Thanks Steve, decided to leave it alone with just the one bath.

    This is for the michigan investors in the area, I'm sure you have gone thru similar stuff with contractors but my Electrician is MIA, if anybody knows of a good one with reasonable rates for a rental, it's not a small job, it's moving a box and running the lines. If you can recommend someone it will be greatly appreciated, thanks!

    I found Tim Webb on Angieslist and used him for a rental. He was priced well, broken down the cost on each item and was flexible with what I had done/chose not to do. I was very happy with his work. 248-293-0307, [email protected]

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Thank you Brian, very much appreciated. I'll give him a call.

  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    12y

    Reconfigure the driveway so they arent driving on grass , which will soon become mud . Make it easy to turn the car around

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y

    Yes, that's the plan, I'm about to pass my budget! lol, thanks Matthew.

  • Investor · Oak Park, MI · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 47 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Michael Dundon:
    Hey Roy,

    We always put a second bath in the basement of our rentals- whether a ranch or bungalow. Much more cost effective that way and like others have mentioned on this thread- people don't expect a bathroom on the upper floor of a bungalow around here. We've bought a few bungalows in South Redford where they have already been there and that's a nice bonus- but like I said we always put second baths in the basements.

    I don't know- no basement and on a main road? Both of those factors are deal breakers for me. Is it too late to back out?:)

    If you can't back out I would do what @Rob K. said and just rent it is-as. Save your money.

    I see you're from Oak Park. My partner and I own 3 properties there. Anyway, there's an investor meeting this Tuesday at Sila's in Berkley (12 and Greenfield)- from 6-9pm. I'ts a great meeting. Check it out

    Good Luck! Mike D

    Michael, what is the name of the group? is it the first Tuesday of each month? Looks like I probably missed it again!

  • Rental Property Investor · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 60 posts · 26 votes
    12y

    Hey Roy- yep it's the first tuesday of the month. So it was this past Tuesday. It's called Renegade Detroit Investors. Google it and you'll find out everything you need to know. I missed the last meeting too because I was out of the country but I'll be at the one in April. Hope to see you then!

  • Investor · Macomb, MI · Member since 2013 · 654 posts · 115 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @George P.:
    not on the driveway. they have to back out onto inkster road and then go on their way.

    there was a big meeting 2 months ago, but i could not make it. i think aaron yates (sp) led it..

    Yes we have a meetup every month. We just had this months meeting tuesday March 11th.

    We post here and on facebook after we make arrangements.

    Hit me up anyone who wants to be added to the email list.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Brighton, MI · Member since 2013 · 607 posts · 251 votes
    12y

    @Aaron Yates I agree with those who would choose to put a nice full bath in the master bedroom. It will help seal the deal. Baths and kitchens are what sell a house so make them very attractive. We are remodeling all three of our full baths currently and then on to the kitchen. Plan on selling our residence this Spring.

    Hey Aaron, do you think you could post some pics of your remodel work? I'd love to see them. :)

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