Friend's landlord keeping deposit in PA

Friend's landlord keeping deposit in PA

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My friend just recently (July 31) moved out of her rented house in PA. The place is basically a dump, falling apart. When she and her two housemates moved in, there was furniture already present (the place was rented unfurnished), left by the previous tenants.

The landlord is now refusing to return the deposit, claiming that the cost of moving out the furniture (which was present when they moved in, and they left when they moved out) exceeds the amount of the deposit ($1550).

First of all, I assume that the landlord, with characteristic incompetence, is not going to send a written itemized list of damages within 30 days, as required by PA state law. (My friend did provide a forwarding address; she did it, as the landlord requested, in a written note left with the keys, so she has no evidence that she did so.) Would it be worth it to just wait in radio silence for the remaining 22 days and try to catch him on the technicality when he doesn't provide written notice? If someone is to write him a demand letter, would it be better in the eyes of the law to do it now, rather than waiting?

In the event that she does have to challenge him on the facts, can he charge her for not removing debris which was present when she moved in? If she does not have photographic evidence that the debris was present, is it likely to be impossible for her to recover the deposit?

Additionally, she had to make a $400 pet deposit, which the landlord has neither returned nor made mention of. She is afraid that if she asks for it she will be told that it's being retained to cover the remaining cost of furniture removal. Does she have anything to lose asking for it? And can he legally withhold it for reasons other than pet damage? (I don't have the lease handy but am trying to obtain a copy.)

Thanks very much.
(I have also posted this to another, similar forum -- I hope that doesn't violate the rules here.)

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  • Residential Real Estate Agent · OH · Member since 2008 · 553 posts · 24 votes
    19y

    Where do you find people to rent a falling apart dump with junk in it and have them pay a 1950.00 deposit?

    She should have done a final walk through with the owner of the property. That would have ended any problems with the condition. Next time she need to do that.

  • Member since 2008 · 689 posts · 23 votes
    19y

    Sounds like something is being left out of this scenario. Did she perhaps not meet the terms of the lease like leaving early? Need to eliminate that possibility.

  • Member since 2008 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    19y

    $1550, not $1950 -- and it's quite overpriced mainly because it's close to CMU, and the glut of students and lack of housing drives up prices around here, especially when you're desperate near the start of a semester.

    As for lease violations -- the only issue is the junk left behind, which was as I said present when they moved in; but of course that is their word against the landlord's. I can confirm, having helped her move out, that the rent was paid up to the end of the lease. That may have been a mistake; they perhaps should have done the standard screw-the-landlord procedure and kept the last month against the security deposit, but they were naive and assumed it would be returned...

  • Real Estate Investor · London · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 74 votes
    19y

    Check locally. There is normally a government office or free legal advice line for tenant landlord disputes. If the landlord is not following the regulations they could be in a very bad position. Many states have laws to target landlords who are more cowboys than true landlords.

    John Corey

  • Member since 2008 · 689 posts · 23 votes
    19y

    In our state, the written accounting must made within 30 days. If the new address is not provided the landlord still has to mail it to the last known address to comply. Landlord can be charged with treble damages and attorney costs for not complying with this rule.

    I would call the landlord and try one more time to get the accounting. If they are outside the legal period of accounting just file in whatever local jurisdiction that applies. In our state it's the local magistrate's office. Go to court and tell the story to the magistrate. Magistrates are tenant friendly by and large anyhow. For example, a landlord can clean stoves and refrigerators all day long (popular items left unclean by tenants) but unless he paid a maid service, the magistrate won't let him subtract the expense from the deposit.

    It's in the lease usually that you can't screw the landlord and use the cleaning and security deposit for the last month's rent. And you are correct, most students try and skip the last month's rent. It's also a question asked by the next landlord when seeking housing. "Was the rent paid on time?" "Was the last month's rent paid?" "Were there any late rents" If your friend left the apartment clean (stove and refrigerator, bathroom included) then she/he should get their deposit back

  • Real Estate Investor · Millbrook, AL · Member since 2008 · 68 posts · 34 votes
    18y

    Go to court and sue the jerk. If what you are saying is true. As a landlord, I'm sure he has his side of the story. If you have never been to court, you will learn the zoo that it can be so you won't get yourself in this situation again.

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