Real Estate Investor · Greensboro, NC · Member since 2008 · 6 posts · 0 votes
Hello everyone!
This is my second post. Brand new investor here looking to purchase my first property soon.
Ignoring the fix & flip side of things, and just talking about buying homes and renting them out, is the general idea to buy a property, rent it out for positive cash flow (after PITI & expenses) and using that cash flow to help with the down payment on a second property and using the 1st house as collateral for the second loan?
So each previous property is collateral for the next? Just curious how lenders look at that. Obviously, speaking personally, I wouldn't qualify for say, 3 mortgages if I were going to live in them, but if I have 3 homes and rent each of them out with positive cash flow and positive equity, I would most likely qualify for a 4th loan, a 5th loan, etc.? rinse and repeat?
henderson, NV · Member since 2008 · 15 posts · 0 votes
17y
Im curious about this as well, lets say I buy my first property with cash, can I use the equity on these homes as collateral for other properties without getting credit involved???? Great questions TBD..im excited to hear the answers.
Banker · sydney, Nova Scotia · Member since 2008 · 100 posts · 8 votes
17y
I wouldn't buy my first home with cash. Assuming it is a building that will cash flow properly with 100% financing my goal would be to put as little of my own money in this deal as possible. This leaves me cash reserves to buy more property. You can have one property paid for free and clear, which is clearly a strategy some people use with great success, or you can buy 10 or 15 mortgaged rentals with good cash flow and take advantage of compounding. You have 10-15 rentals putting money in your pocket, paying off your mortgage, and reduce vacancy risk.
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 86 votes
17y
There are many different ideas on how to accomplish this. I for one, put a down payment on my first house, then cashed the equity to buy my second and just repeated this. The trick is to only cash out as little as it takes to get your next property and rehab. You do not want to get yourself in a situtation where your rent is just enough to cover your payment. This is setting yourself up for failure the minute one of your properties goes vacant for any amount of time.
Also, keep in mind that banks do not like to see more the 4 mort properties on your credit. This is why you want to get as many properties off your personal credit and on to a business loan as soon as possible.
Over leveraging your properties will kill your business in a hurry the minute some unexpected expense comes up.
Also, don't forget about seasoning issues. Many banks over the last year went to from 3 months seasoning on the title to 6 months and now 1 year.
Freddie and Fannie aren't allowing you to borrow if you already have 4 mortgages so unless you're pals with a commercial lender that doesn't sell the mortgages how are you amassing 10-15 rental properties?
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 86 votes
17y
Not all banks sell to FF and not all banks require you to go commerical after 4 loans.. If they hold the paper in house, they can do whatever they want.
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
Why would you need the 1st house to be collateral for the second loan? The bank will use the first house as collateral for the first loan and the second house as collateral for the second loan.
Property Manager · Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2008 · 102 posts · 13 votes
17y
You must make sure you have cash to cover expenses. As Tom said, when you live on the edge, if one of your properties goes vacant, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
Now there are some people who have built RE empires faster than the rest of us by being extremely gutsy and extremely lucky. It helps to be very smart and have great timing (hi, Mr. Trump!) For every one Donald, there are 99 others who took the same level of risk and lost.
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 86 votes
17y
Sure.. When I say seasoning. It's how long you have owned the property. When you go out to sell the home in a flip situation or when you just want to refi it.. Banks used to require that you owned the home for 90 days or more before they would take the new appraisal price. If you didn't have 90 days on the title, it didn't matter how many receipts you would provide to them showing improvements, they would still only look at your purchase price or what the house appraised for when you bought it.
An example.. I pay 14K cash for a house. In 3 months I want to refi it and pull some money out.. I pull a new appraisal and it comes in at 53K.. The banks used to accept that with documentation of improvements.. Now they will not, they say. It's only worth the 14K you paid for it, unless I wait one year.
I am not sure what this new 1 year requirement will do to people who are using HM and need to refi or sell within 6 months. I am sure HML's will have extend their requirements out to one year now.
Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2008 · 189 posts · 75 votes
17y
I just refinanced my 2nd rental property last week. I ended up buying the sfr with cash to help make the deal but what I found out was that regardless of the appraisal (which was 32% over what I paid for it) the bank would only lend my 75% of the purchase price since there was no mortgage on the property. I use this lender since they don't sell to Fannie or Freddie so no seasoning issues but they implemented this policy about two weeks before I closed. All kinds of restrictions and rules are poping up so ask a lot of questions from your lender and assume nothing.
Residential Real Estate Broker · Grand Blanc, MI · Member since 2008 · 885 posts · 316 votes
17y
Originally posted by Bill H:
Does the seasoning issue apply to certain banks? ie does anyone know of banks that do not have a seasoning requirement?
Don't limit yourself just to banks. Credit unions are often an untapped goldmine for finding unique financing options. I've been 10x more successful with financing from a CU than a bank. They're a lot more flexible, have lower rates, and can close with less contingencies than the said banks.
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
17y
John,
Actually, the vast majority of newbies in the real estate business fail. So, statistically, you will be facing losses. The key is to understand the business before you start and always be sure that you'll have a positive cash flow.
Real Estate Coach · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2008 · 80 posts · 5 votes
17y
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