Tenant with Late Payment History wants a Dog

Tenant with Late Payment History wants a Dog

Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes

Hello BP Forums,

Two months ago one of our tenants expressed interest in adopting a dog and inquired about our pet policy. We are a pet-friendly property, so I shared our Pet Addendum doc with the tenant, outlining pet fee, pet rent, etc. After sharing the addendum, we didn't heard anything else from the tenant about their desire to move forward with getting a dog.

Fast forward two months, and today we received a message from our tenant expressing their desire to move forward with a pet adoption. However, since the date of their initial inquiry, this tenant has paid their rent late for the past two months.

Given that the tenant's payment history as of late has been a little rockier, I'm hesitant to give this tenant the go-ahead to adopt a dog - however we have already made it clear to the tenant that we are a pet-friendly property.

Given the above context, some questions I have are:

(1) Could I tell this tenant that they cannot get a dog after I've already established that we do allow pets? Any tips on how to do so tactfully? Could I site their history of late rent as a reason to say "no" to a pet? 

(2) What would you do in this situation? For additional context, we inherited this tenant in June and aside from the past two months where they paid rent a few days late, they have otherwise always paid on time and have generally been an ideal tenant: quiet, clean, polite, etc. 

Any input would be appreciated, thank you!

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Rental Property Investor · Concord, GA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
6y
The issue I would see is that the tenants are apparently already having issues in managing their finances and now their expenses are going to increase with additional fees, additional pet rent, pet food, vet bills, etc. I would raise that issue with them. ie, you've paid your rent late twice and how are you going to handle these additional expenses and still make timely payments? But wait! They can just spring the ESA thing on you...
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  • Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    what does getting a dog have to do with paying rent on time?   I would address the late rent as a seperate issue. 

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    6y

    @Chris Guinn  Mary is right, these are two separate issues.  If you have pet-friendly properties and gave them the pet addendum, then stick with it.

  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, GA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y
    The issue I would see is that the tenants are apparently already having issues in managing their finances and now their expenses are going to increase with additional fees, additional pet rent, pet food, vet bills, etc. I would raise that issue with them. ie, you've paid your rent late twice and how are you going to handle these additional expenses and still make timely payments? But wait! They can just spring the ESA thing on you...
  • Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    thinking on this further, when you said they are late on rent - does your lease stipulate that they have til the 5th to pay rent? Was she late beyond that date?  If so did you address it that very first time? Explain that paying rent late is cause for a late fee etc? 

    I find that sometimes if the person is younger they may of never really thought through paying rent late. So maybe just giving her the low down is all it will take.

    but as I said earlier, I cant see how a pet has anything to do with late rent. And, if you disallow the pet (in a pet friendly community) , it may be seen as retaliation. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Appreciate your thoughts. 

    For additional context, the tenant has been paying their rent late, after our designated grace period, with an additional late fee as specified in the lease agreement. They're definitely clear on our late rent policy and have been subject to fees already as a result of their tardiness. 

    Regarding the "what does the dog have to do with late rent?" question, my thinking was in line with John's - that if the tenant is already struggling to pay rent, adding a new dog to the equation could lead to increased financial strain - a pet fee up front and monthly pet rent moving forward, plus food, veterinary care, etc. - all of which can add up quickly.

  • Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    The late rent is a separate issue. Find the root cause for the late payments and address that. If the tenant pays within a few days of the cut off and pays the late fee each time, I wouldn't sweat it. Gently guide them back on track. Most tenants who pay late occasionally by only a few days are generally not struggling to pay rent, but more likely forgetful. Try to get your tenants to set up auto-pay (through a payment platform) or bill-pay (through their bank) to make it easier for both of you.

    Allow the dog according to your pet policy. Make sure you have a pet addendum that includes information that demonstrates they have what it takes to be a responsible pet owner.

    Here's a sample of ours:


    PET AGREEMENT

    (Addendum to Rental Agreement)

    The Month-To-Month Rental Agreement (the “Agreement”) dated _______________________ between __________________________________________________________________________, as Landlord and ________________________________________________________________________, as Tenant of real property located at _______________________________________________________, is hereby amended to include the following terms and conditions: 

    The rental agreement specifically prohibits keeping pets and animals without Landlord permission; Tenant agrees to follow these terms and conditions in exchange for permission to keep a specific pet:

    Condition for keeping a pet:

    Tenant agrees to pay additional rent of _____________ per month for the privilege of keeping this pet.

    Tenant agrees to pay additional security deposit of ______________ for the privilege of keeping this pet.

    Name of pet: ___________________________________________________________________

    Description of pet: ______________________________________________________________ (type, breed, color, age)

    Veterinarian: __________________________________________________________________

    Emergency Caretaker: ___________________________________________________________ 

    Tenant agrees to:
    1. Provide proper care for the pet in accordance with veterinary recommendations or ASPCA (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) guidelines. See www.aspca.org.

    2. Adhere to local ordinances, including leash, vaccination, and tag/licensing, requirements.

    3. Clean up after the pet and dispose of pet waste properly and quickly.

    4. Not to leave pet food or water outside the dwelling, as it could attract other animals.

    5. Not to leave the pet unattended for any unreasonable periods of time.

    6. Keep the pet from being noisy, aggressive, or from causing any annoyance or discomfort to others.

    7. Immediately remedy any complaints that arise from pet behavior.

    8. Immediately pay for any damage, loss, or expense caused to others by the pet.

    9. Provide pet with regular health care, to include inoculations as recommended by a veterinarian.

    10. Spay or neuter the pet when it becomes of age to do so.

    11. Arrange for an emergency caretaker for the pet.

    12. Maintain adequate insurance to cover claims resulting from damages or injury caused by pet.

      Tenant agrees to indemnify, hold harmless and defend Landlord against all liability, judgments, expenses (including attorney fees), or claims by third parties for any injury to any person or damage to property caused by Tenant’s pet.

      Landlord reserves the right to revoke permission to keep the pet should Tenant break this agreement or provide false or misleading information.

      Landlord _____________________________________________________ Date __________

      Tenant ______________________________________________________ Date __________

    1. Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
      6y

      These are 2 completely different issues unfortunately. I get that you do not want to "reward" someone who pays late, but they most certainly will not understand your viewpoint. They will just be focused on that other people in the building are allowed to have pets and they aren't. 

    2. Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
      6y

      was the tenant considerate and tactful when he didn’t honor his agreement to pay you rent on time ? Your being too nice . It may be a separate issue but it overlaps -Dogs cost money dog food and pet care costs money especially for somebody that only wants the best for their “ buddy”

      I’d tell him no ! that pet policy is contingent on being a good tenant and honoring the lease . So You want me to honor that in the lease ..yet you don’t honor your agreements in the lease like paying rent on time . Show me over the next several months of paying in good faith and I’ll reconsider the dog issue

    3. Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      6y

      @Chris Guinn

      I would agree with @John Teachout. If they can’t pay rent on time, how can they afford a dog.

    4. Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
      6y

      @Chris Guinn

      “Late Payment History”? You said they were a few days late, twice. That’s hardly a history. Exactly how late were they?

      I would simply have a conversation with them. “Hey, I would like to permit this, but I’m concerned about a couple issues. You’ll need to pay the non-refundable fees up front, and your rent will also go up. But you were late the last couple months. Is the extra rent going to be a problem with paying rent on time?”

      Feel them out. Find out why rent was late. And if it’s a couple days, it’s really not late.

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      Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
      6y

      I completely get where those who say "extra costs" are coming from, and it is probably a dumb idea for someone who can't pay on time to add to their living costs and increase their financial stress. That said, don't overthink it. Whether someone has a dog or not isn't going to influence whether you have to evict them or not. You allow pets, go by your policy. Don't attempt to social engineer their finances. It's not your problem how much extra the dog costs them - your only problem is a)do you allow pets and b)was the rent paid. As landlords, if we dug that deep into most renter's finances you wouldn't rent to anyone. You're not their daddy, you are their creditor. If they pay their car payment late 2 months in a row, Toyota doesn't call them up and tell them "Sorry, you can't put bling wheels on your car because they cost money and you were late with your payments." 

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    6. Ned J.Pro Member
      Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      6y
      Anyone wanna bet whether he actually has the dog already or not ? :) I would be straight up with them........ you need to address the late payments. Then be honest that you have concerns that the addition of the pet will increase the chances of more late payments, which will result in an eviction and neither party wants that...... No, you can't police tenants finances and their decision with $$.... but this is a situation that requires your approval, so you do have some control.
    7. Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      6y

      @Chris Guinn

      I do animal Friendly exclusively, those who have proven they cannot afford current rent (or are too careless to pay it on time) do not qualify for the increased rent (and responsibilities) of animal ownership. End.

      In my market pet friendly landlords make up about 5-7%, dog friendly (which I strongly target) make up about 1%. I am neither willing nor required to put up with irresponsible animal owners.

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