90 Day Rent Abatement bill being drafted in NYS

90 Day Rent Abatement bill being drafted in NYS

Rental Property Investor · The Vampire State · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-senator-gianaris-calls-for-rent-suspension-new-yorkers-20200319-unw3kcrtbnhvbnvkvymskhjdv4-story.html


I'm not sure what to say other than a 25% decrease in annual revenue (and three months without any) would be catastrophic for almost everyone I know in the business.  Class warfare at its finest.  Gotta love New York State.  They always find new ways of reminding me why I am leaving.

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Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
6y

@Wesley W. If the gov't volunteered to pay a portion the rent on behalf of the tenant that might be OK. But to give away our money like that is unconscionable and most likely unconstitutional. It is absurd! I am OK with dealmaking and giving people a break but that concession should come from me and not some self serving politician. We are not even being asked! I thought we were a Democracy?

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  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    got to buy votes somehow 

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Wesley W. If the gov't volunteered to pay a portion the rent on behalf of the tenant that might be OK. But to give away our money like that is unconscionable and most likely unconstitutional. It is absurd! I am OK with dealmaking and giving people a break but that concession should come from me and not some self serving politician. We are not even being asked! I thought we were a Democracy?

  • Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    "Gov. Cuomo announced a 90-day freeze on mortgage payments and foreclosures for those facing financial hardship."

    So, what does that look like? Tacked on at the back end, while rent is just forgiven forever? 

  • Rental Property Investor · The Vampire State · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:

    "Gov. Cuomo announced a 90-day freeze on mortgage payments and foreclosures for those facing financial hardship."

    So, what does that look like? Tacked on at the back end, while rent is just forgiven forever? 

    I haven't looked at that part of this particular executive order (he is writing executive orders every single day for the last several days - no joke), but in his press conference last week he specifically mentioned "out of work" as the financial hardship, so I think it is intended to benefit W2 owner occupants.  He did not mention anything about this topic during his press conference today.  But yes, the expectation is that the banks will kick the amortization "can" down the road to the end of the loan.  Not so for this  "rent forgiveness" proposal.

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    6y

    There is already a mechanism to deal with job loss called unemployment benefit, which congress may extend to 100% in which case there is no loss of income. The President is also talking about writing families $1200 checks. My point is for most people, they will have income, yet they are not expected to pay rent, mortgage or utilities. The only thing open is grocery stores, so there isn't even entertainment to spend money on. Yet landlords are expected to pay taxes, insurance and mortgage payments? Even if a mortgage payment for investors gets deferred, they still have to pay it. This seems to violate property rights and beyond that it is just nasty. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

    There is already a mechanism to deal with job loss called unemployment benefit, which congress may extend to 100% in which case there is no loss of income. The President is also talking about writing families $1200 checks. My point is for most people, they will have income, yet they are not expected to pay rent, mortgage or utilities. The only thing open is grocery stores, so there isn't even entertainment to spend money on. Yet landlords are expected to pay taxes, insurance and mortgage payments? Even if a mortgage payment for investors gets deferred, they still have to pay it. This seems to violate property rights and beyond that it is just nasty. 

    Don't worry about their entertainment, with no rent to pay and extra money in their pocket, they're going to buy a giant flat screen TV and the latest Xbox from Walmart while doing their "essential grocery shopping". 

    And those $1200 checks are supposedly only going out to households that make less that $99K. Given that landlords are probably better off than most people, not only will they not get a stimulus check, but they will be the ones paying for those checks through higher taxes. 

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