1st out of state/BRRRR purchase

1st out of state/BRRRR purchase

Nelson LealPro Member
Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes

Hello BP,

This is my first deal bought through BP so I figured I'd return the favor by sharing my adventure.  I'll skip the details about myself and get right to the transaction.

*Will omit names from my story and pictures.  Living in South Florida I have learned never give out addresses or pictures of homes that are vacant, asking for trouble, sorry. Also, excuse the novel but the category listing did use the word "diary".*

Signed up for BP mid March, within 3-4 weeks found a listing on BP for a SFH in Houston that really peaked my interest.

Advertised:

4/2/2 1600 sq ft on oversized lot for area

Asking: 105k

Rehab: 11k

ARV: 159k

Rent: 1400 - 1500

Called up the seller (wholesaler) and immediately felt comfortable with them. They didn't try to sell me they just gave numbers, spoke about what services and help they can provide for a first time out of state investor. The house itself was very well taken care of by a retiring couple and didn't need major repairs. Small amount and short time frame from rehab. After taking time, too much time as it was my first deal analyzing with BRRRR lucky someone didn't pick it up, I advised them I was ready to take the plunge.

During final talk on numbers they received an alternate bid for the rehab at 9500 (1500 less than other bids) and we also settled at 103k purchase price.  When I asked for a reduction in price they were open and transparent about the contracted price and what they were making.  They agreed to take 2k off and that made me feel even more confident and trustworthy of who I wsa now dealing with.  Of course I would have found out their cost due to assignment but still they were right up front with it.

Plan is to buy, use the seller as my project manager and they will be my property manager as well.  This turned out to be a Turnkey type of transaction except I was getting in before rehab instead of after allowing me to take advantage of forced appreciation!

The seller connected me to a local HML who they in turn connected me to a local conventional lender. During this process I learned there is no seasoning minimum when doing a rate and term refi. So, as soon as I have a signed lease I can refi right out of the HML and not wait 6 months which is what I've been used to with cash out refi's. Not to mention on rate & term refi you can pull out 2% or 2k whichever is less I'm told so less money out of pocket.

So far so good. Been running my numbers on the conservative side so as long as I can get at least 150k ARV and 1400 rent I'll be into it about 15-20k cash and around 10-15% COC return.

Assignment contract signed ready to move forward:

Purchase Price 103k

Now comes the financing. HML orders the appraisal then sit and wait nervously to see. This was so nerve-racking. Buying sight unseen, in another state trusting people I've never met face to face only chatted over BP. Finally after waiting forever, was only 5-6 days, the appraisal came in:

ARV = 175k!!!!!

Holly cow, it came in 25k more than what I was hoping for and 16k over what the seller said it would come in at. I struck gold and everyone is telling me I found a deal that doesn't exist anymore buying from resellers. I was so jacked but did my best to play it cool with the seller and HML. LOL, think I may have just blown my cover. This ARV would mean I will come out less money than expected for this project.

Now with a 175K ARV the HML was pretty much going to cover everything but they reduced the % on the loan to make sure I had some skin in the game especially being my first deal with them, I was fine with that.

I closed on 05/31/17.  Numbers:

Total HML loan: 114k

Total out of pocket at closing: $7,800.00

10k from that loan went to escrow for rehab that I will draw on.

Once we're done rehabbing and get a signed lease I will then refi probably come out of pocket a bit more so I'm thinking if all goes well I'll be out roughly 10k. If I hit 1500 monthly rent (after appraisal came in I'm trusting the seller assumption on the higher rent) that would result in my first out of state buy returning 40% COC return!

With all of that being said, I've done a couple of deals and have a local SFH I rent out so although new to the game I know things can go south quick. I'm keeping my excitement tempered for now.

Rehab started on 6/1/17 and should take only 2-3 weeks.  I'll keep chiming in how the project goes all the way through signing a lease with a tenant.  Sorry I don't have any words of wisdom to share but I figured telling my story was a way to pay back the BP community for the help I have received so far. 

That's it for now..............

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Lomita, CA · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 39 votes
9y

Hi Nelson!

Looks like a great deal. One word of advice that was given by  @Brandon Turner in his rental property book is if you plan to rent use laminate over the hardwood, as you know it will get abused. Keep the actual hardwood floors protected and have them finished when sprucing up the property for sale. This way you only refinish once and what is there remains intact for you to cash out on later.

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  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    8y

    @Joel Ortiz the wholesaler I bought the property from referred me to some contractors and the one they use as well. I ended up using their contractor. Had some hiccups but when isn't there. Worked out well did a second property with them in Ohio same kind of deal with contractor there as well. Took a hiatus from REI for a bit back in now looking for next property. Good luck on your ventures.

  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    Wow, it is awesome to go back and read the log of a property.  3 years later, I have the same tennent in the property.  Paid late by a day once the whole time they have been great.  No major issues, couple of minor cheap and easy fixes.  This property has cashed flow month in month out, it has been awesome.  Now looking to cash out possibly along with the Ohio property I bought right after this one.  Been one of the best purchases I have ever made!

  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    FYI.....just posted this property on the marketplace.  Not sure if it's allowed to share that info on these forums but technicly it's part of the "diary, log" which is the point of this whole post.  :)

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/real-estate-listings/turnkey-rental-kch7ll

  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Nelson Leal:

    Wow, it is awesome to go back and read the log of a property.  3 years later, I have the same tennent in the property.  Paid late by a day once the whole time they have been great.  No major issues, couple of minor cheap and easy fixes.  This property has cashed flow month in month out, it has been awesome.  Now looking to cash out possibly along with the Ohio property I bought right after this one.  Been one of the best purchases I have ever made!

    Which part of Ohio?

  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    @remington lyman   Lyndhurst, OH

  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    5y

    @Remington Lyman   Lyndhurst, OH

  • New to Real Estate · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2019 · 15 posts · 7 votes
    5y

    Hi, Nelson. This is a great story that you wrote for your first out-of-state BRRRR deal. I'm just starting out as an out-of-state BRRRR investor as well. If you were to summarize your experience here, what would be the biggest thing to watch out or prepare for especially when doing it out-of-state?

  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    @Nelson Leal dude that’s so sick& you have me mad motivated to purchase my first property. Good luck on your journey

  • Nelson LealPro Member
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    Aviation Sales / Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 112 posts · 45 votes
    5y

    @Anniqua Brooks than you and good luck to you as well.

    @Kendric Ng biggest thing I would say for out of state investing is be prepared for unknown local, state costs that seem to pop up.  Living in one state you know all the costs but each time I buy a property in a new area there always seems to be added costs that come out of no where.  City tax, county tax, renting registration, property maintenance, etc the list goes on and on.  Those have been the biggest things.  Of course the are bigger, costlier items that come up but it's the norm for in-state our out of state investing.  

  • New to Real Estate · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    @Nelson Leal Thanks for sharing! Getting started in real estate myself and am curious how you found the listing on BP - was it through the marketplace? I checked it out and can only seem to find auctions...

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