Researching the Dayton-Ohio market

Researching the Dayton-Ohio market

NY · Member since 2018 · 38 posts · 12 votes

Hello all, I am researching a property in Dayton zip code 45410. Can anyone give me any details about this neighborhood, zip codes to stay away from, rents, etc...? 

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Ozzy SmithPro Member
Specialist · Dayton, OH · Member since 2014 · 352 posts · 265 votes
7y

thanks for the mention @Chris Tabanico and I think your assessment is pretty spot on.  The rents you stated are pretty common for a 3BR in that area and if you go sec 8 you can get as much as $900/m.  Your advise of networking with local boots on the ground is key.  Dayton is a very unique place and there are area's in pretty much each local zip code that I would buy personally and areas that I would not.  There is no way for an OOS investor to know which is which unless they have TRUSTED eyes on.

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  • Darrin CareyPro Member
    Lender · Dayton, OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 705 votes
    7y

    That zip code spans several different neighborhoods ranging from A to D. Most zip codes in Dayton do, so they are a poor selection criteria here.

    In Dayton, you'll need to break it down to the neighborhood, and in some areas even block by block.

    I own some properties in that zip code, but I'd need to know the address to give any specific guidance.

  • NY · Member since 2018 · 38 posts · 12 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Darrin Carey:

    That zip code spans several different neighborhoods ranging from A to D. Most zip codes in Dayton do, so they are a poor selection criteria here.

    In Dayton, you'll need to break it down to the neighborhood, and in some areas even block by block.

    I own some properties in that zip code, but I'd need to know the address to give any specific guidance.

    Thanks for the response. Sure it’s on Kolping Ave. 

  • Ozzy SmithPro Member
    Specialist · Dayton, OH · Member since 2014 · 352 posts · 265 votes
    7y

    Like @Darrin Carey said, we need more information before we can speak intelligently to your question.  Start with things like an address, what's the purchase price, how much rehab do you think it needs, and what is the purpose of the investment?

    There are plenty of good investors in the area that will likely chime in and give you insight, and there are probably an equal number of bad investors that will try and pawn crap deals off on you.  Your job is to give the details and then decide which advise is accurate.

    If you want my $.02 feel free to send me a PM and we can chat 

  • Rental Property Investor · Arizona/Ohio/Michigan · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 36 votes
    7y

    Being an out of state investor, when doing my initial research, I was looking at zip codes. As @Darrin Carey and @Ozzy Smith mentioned, it can vary block by block. I have a few rentals in that area and there are certain pockets that are performing well. Anywhere from 650-725 for rents. There are a few additional projects I have going on now that will garner 750-800 based on my preferences for “nice” rentals. What really helped me was networking with folks and taking trips to scout areas that I wanted to target. Good luck! 

  • Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 545 posts · 614 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Charles what @Chris Tabanico says about scouting the area is key if you're out of state. I previously made the mistake you're currently doing buy looking at Zip Codes online. When I travelled to the area, I would see a nice house on a terrible block or neighborhood. One property was in a "nice" area but if I drove three blocks in any direction I was in the hood with Corner boys hanging out putting in work.

    Now I connect with Realtors on the ground that know the neighborhood well, I also always ask about their network of Property Managers, number of General Contractors in their network (so I'm not waiting for a GC to finish one job before they get to my property), if they regularly deal with Out Of State Investors, etc...    

  • Ozzy SmithPro Member
    Specialist · Dayton, OH · Member since 2014 · 352 posts · 265 votes
    7y

    thanks for the mention @Chris Tabanico and I think your assessment is pretty spot on.  The rents you stated are pretty common for a 3BR in that area and if you go sec 8 you can get as much as $900/m.  Your advise of networking with local boots on the ground is key.  Dayton is a very unique place and there are area's in pretty much each local zip code that I would buy personally and areas that I would not.  There is no way for an OOS investor to know which is which unless they have TRUSTED eyes on.

  • Darrin CareyPro Member
    Lender · Dayton, OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 705 votes
    7y

    Kolping Ave I'd put at C-, heavy rental, some homeowners.

    I'd be extra careful if it was on the corner of Linden Ave (Traffic), or too close to US 35. (Noise).

  • Ozzy SmithPro Member
    Specialist · Dayton, OH · Member since 2014 · 352 posts · 265 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Charles

    to reinstate what I was saying in PM, see Darrin's last comment - good luck to you

  • NY · Member since 2018 · 38 posts · 12 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ozzy Smith:

    @Kevin Charles

    to reinstate what I was saying in PM, see Darrin's last comment - good luck to you

    No thanks. Your PM message was the rudest exchange I have ever had on bigger pockets. 

  • NY · Member since 2018 · 38 posts · 12 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Darrin Carey:

    Kolping Ave I'd put at C-, heavy rental, some homeowners.

    I'd be extra careful if it was on the corner of Linden Ave (Traffic), or too close to US 35. (Noise).

     Thank you very much for the message. It’s appreciated. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Arizona/Ohio/Michigan · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 36 votes
    7y

    How'd this pan out for you @Kevin Charles? You end up buying a property?

  • Rental Property Investor · Dayton, OH · Member since 2015 · 312 posts · 273 votes
    7y

    I would not pass that by just because it is C class if it is a good deal on a solidly built rental. The area has proximity to many big employers and downtown. Rents and property values are increasing. 

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Charles piggybacking on your research into Dayton, Ohio, do you have an advise on neighborhoods or specific blocks?

  • Darrin CareyPro Member
    Lender · Dayton, OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 705 votes
    7y

    If anyone is looking at investing in Dayton Ohio from out of state, and you happen to be in Vegas around Oct 1, this meetup should be of interest to you.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/521/topics/755596-dayton-ohio-real-estate-in-las-vegas

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