Lets beat this dead horse....

Lets beat this dead horse....

Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes

The new year has arrived, so let's discuss one of the dead horse topic I see here time & time & time & time again - 

I'M DOING MY RESEARCH AND HOPE TO PURCHASE SOMETHING WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR (OR TWO, OR 6 MOS, ETC).

For those newbies who are just getting started, great!  Glad you're getting interested.  What is it exactly that you are looking at, researching, team building, getting your ducks in a row, etc.  What is holding you back from buying something right now?  I've seen folks be presented with 100% true deals and pass on them.  Yet they turn around and make a post here or on FB asking for deals?  One of the contractors I use has been asking for deals for over 2 years now and still hasn't bought anything.  I've presented him with absolute deals just to get him started - even offering to partner just for the security factor for him (buy the way, I've bought every deal I sent him).  

So I'm wondering rather than spending so much time putting all the other stuff mentioned above into play, why not focus on what's truly holding you back?  I believe one of the biggest (probably THE biggest) factors is people are just scared.  And that's ok, and is the point I'm trying to get to.  So why not just mention that and partner up on the first (or few) deals until you get comfortable, until you find good contractors, until you know how to refi out a rental?  You can spend countless hours watching podcasts, reading books, going to events, etc and spend 6 mos "learning" before buying your first deal ------ only to realize you're still going to make all the mistakes!  You might overpay because you don't know the market or submarket, got screwed by a contractor, didn't estimate repairs correctly, unexpected delays or repairs you weren't aware of, and a number of other issues that can and WILL pop up.  Now, not to say any of these can't happen with an experienced partner, but the risk will definitely be minimized a great deal.

So rather than waiting 6 mos to buy 1 deal yourself, wouldn't it make more sense to partner up with someone RIGHT NOW and start learning hands on?  1/2 of something is better than 100% of nothing.  6 mos from now you could have 1-3 deals under your belt and now ready to run 100% on your own.

If you can do basic math, you're ready to go - I can buy it for "x" amount and sell it for "y" amount with "z" amount of repairs....Is there a profit there that I'm happy?  If so, it's a deal!  Everything in between (including the "z" number) isn't something you can read or study your way into.  You need the real world experience to be successful.  Don't let your ego or greed stop you from partnering with experience.  

Now, don't just jump into a partnership with anyone!  Ask for proof.  Have them show you stuff they've bought, any rehabs in process or houses on the market, etc.  There's plenty of guys with good names out there who can help.  If they can't show you proof of experience, move on quickly.

Happy new year everyone and good luck in your journey.....just don't take forever getting started, that drives me crazy!  Buy something now.  

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Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
6y

Fear and comfort are powerful and keep us from trying new things.

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  • Real Estate Broker/Owner & Property Manager · Sugar Land, TX · Member since 2013 · 660 posts · 459 votes
    6y

    @Michael Barry That's sweet deal and I would recommend to pull the trigger. Don't hesitate to ping me for next steps. If it's as you explained, it will surely work on BRRRR strategy with equity play.

    Great discussion guys!!!

  • Accountant · Orcutt, CA (93455) · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 21 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper Yes I would. Would I like to know where it is? Yes. But, If the ARV is 145k after purchase 85K & 25K rehab Yes. I would. (Considering where it is).

    I guess my "not understanding" different markets (states) is making me not pull the trigger.  But if I had an opportunity to research the area, schools, amenities, etc. etc. and it made sense.  Damn straight I would.  Today !!!

    However, if its out of my area, I live on the Central Coast of California in between San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara.  I haven't found any deals like that in this area.  So, if it is in another state.  I would be a fool to not do my due dilligence.  But, I would take a shot if it made sense and the research came back favorable. 

    I have tried to go to meet ups in this area and meet new people and find a mentor or just someone who can break down a deal for me in this area, and I am sure they are in my area, I just haven't found one yet.  I would feel a little more in control if I had someone or a group consensus I could bounce ideas and deals off of.  

    But, I may have to go outside of my state to find some "good deals".  However, I think I can find some here in the area, I just need to find them.  Once I do.....then I am on my way. Im looking....everyday.

    September - November 2019 = read books, listen to podcasts, talked to RE agents. 

    December 2019 = went to multiple Open Houses to see for myself what I am looking for.

    January - June 2020 = BUY a REI property.

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Michael Barry, I just looked at your house. ARV is a solid 190K. I'd pull the trigger for sure.

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Rohme Williams, yes the numbers in your area will for sure be higher! But you get the idea. I wouldn't recommend going outside your area until you've done a few. You still want to be able to get by them regularly. Some disagree with me on that, but that's just my opinion. Good luck to you and I'm sure you'll find something. Are you writing offers? Find an agent that will send offers for you on MLS. Make offers from Craigslist. Contact wholesalers.

  • Accountant · Orcutt, CA (93455) · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 21 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper I have three agents that are sending me listings. One here in Los Alamos, another in San Luis Obispo, and another in Bakersfield, Ca. Lived here all my life except a 6 year stint in the Marine Corps. So I know the area fairly well.

    I think buying houses in this area and have a system of "Rent to own" may be a good process.

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Rohme Williams awesome!  Just make offers.  Don't kill the deal just by looking at it.  You never know what the seller is thinking.  Make offers on every one of them (if you like the house).  If you make 100 offers this month I'd bet you can get something.  Off to the races, and congrats on being ready to pull the trigger.

  • League City, TX · Member since 2019 · 37 posts · 17 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper thanks for looking into it. 190k definitely sweetens the deal! 

  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 33 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper love it

  • Accountant · Orcutt, CA (93455) · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 21 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper thank you and I appreciate the reality check. I just finished talking to my RE agent and I'm going to look at a property tomorrow. All is well, I will make an offer.

    Hopefully you and I can talk in the future. Happy New year

  • Steve O.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · West Caldwell, NJ · Member since 2019 · 104 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper can you help me find deals in N.J.? Give me a few ideas how to look for some....

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Steve O. find some networking events, reach out to wholesalers, send direct mail, bandit signs, make offers on MLS, knock on doors, pre foreclosures, driving for dollars app. These are all the basics that everyone does. Finding the deals is the hardest part. Just takes hussle and perseverance. Keep at it.

  • Rental Property Investor · South shore, MA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    To agree with your post, I had no clue what I was doing on my first deal. I knew one thing and one thing only: I was going to get a house at a steep discount In a nice area, and I wasn’t going to let it fail.

    I could have very easily threw my hands up and said “this is too much I can’t do it”. But those long nights and aching back, taking cold showers in a spider infested concrete basement, were well worth it.

    Nothing good comes easy! And I find a lot of people want the easy route, not just in Real Estate, but in life. And that’s just not how the world works. 

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2019 · 103 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper

    Great post, but what experienced flipper would take on a Newbie as a partner?

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Eli Gilbert there are plenty.  I do it and have done it.  Obviously you need a conversation and some ground rules, but the cliff notes version is if you bring me a deal and are putting up some money or something, why would I turn down some free money?  If I believe it's a deal I'm ok with 50% (or whatever split is worked out).  I didn't have to spend marketing dollars or work for the deal.  Typically a newbie will only have a deal - not financing or contractors.  I have all that, so I'd be a fool to turn down a small profit.  Keeps my guys busy, teaches a newbie, and we all make a little money.  Plenty of investors will do the same.

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2019 · 103 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Chris Hopper

    Not everyone has your attitude, there are some, ya just gotta look!

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Brian Ellis:

    To agree with your post, I had no clue what I was doing on my first deal. I knew one thing and one thing only: I was going to get a house at a steep discount In a nice area, and I wasn’t going to let it fail.

    I could have very easily threw my hands up and said “this is too much I can’t do it”. But those long nights and aching back, taking cold showers in a spider infested concrete basement, were well worth it.

    Nothing good comes easy! And I find a lot of people want the easy route, not just in Real Estate, but in life. And that’s just not how the world works. 

     Exactly. If it was easy everyone would do it (well, OK, it seems like everyone is doing it right now, but I digress).

    Fear could be telling you several things:

    1. You are unprepared and you know you are unprepared. Then get prepared.

    2. You are not really interested in this field and are trying to talk yourself into it. Find another field that gets you excited.

    3. You are afraid of failure or the unknown. OK, legitimate but one you will have to get past if you want to own real estate.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Lol, when I read the title, the first thing I thought was why? It's dead already lol.

    I'm not so much afraid. I have a few buy and holds under my belt with my father and we bought when the market was good (2011).

    My next step is to venture out by myself without using my existing properties as those serve as my father's pension (he got screwed over bad in Europe)

    I do see deals. And dang do they make sense! But (and here it is), I am limited in my network. Yes, bigger pockets is the solution for that yet, who can I trust? Not to step on toes but it's quite shady in SWFL :(

  • Specialist · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Nickolas Quartez:

    Lol, when I read the title, the first thing I thought was why? It's dead already lol.

    I'm not so much afraid. I have a few buy and holds under my belt with my father and we bought when the market was good (2011).

    My next step is to venture out by myself without using my existing properties as those serve as my father's pension (he got screwed over bad in Europe)

    I do see deals. And dang do they make sense! But (and here it is), I am limited in my network. Yes, bigger pockets is the solution for that yet, who can I trust? Not to step on toes but it's quite shady in SWFL :(

     He got screwed over in Europe.. How so?

  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Andrey Y.

    The company he worked for never paid any pension for any of their employees and years later, when things started to surface, it just disappeared into thin air...

  • Member since 2018 · 433 posts · 208 votes
    6y

    Honestly, I can't imagine why someone would pass that up unless he secretly has something again at you. Who w ouldnt want to partner with an experienced investor?

  • Lunenburg, MA · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Michael Barry Good info, thank you for sharing. 

  • Investor · IL · Member since 2019 · 151 posts · 135 votes
    6y

    I consider myself a newbie, however I bought my first 2 properties in 2019. Here is the story.

    The first was a 2 bed 2 bath house in the town I live in. It belonged to a lady who had lived there then moved and rented it for a time. She was in the process of rehabbing it herself, and she had no experience at all. I asked her to give me a price if she stopped work on it right away. She did and we made the deal. The bathroom rehab was done, and there were new floors in 2 of the rooms, she also left carpet for 2 more rooms. I gave $30000 for the house. After closing I got the keys and went into the house, the brand new laminate in the utility room had popped and was ruined, I pulled all of it and found the subfloor was wet, turned on the water and the water heater was leaking. So I replaced the floor down to the foor joist in that room, and a new water heater. Next I turn on the power and find I only have power in half the house,(bad leg on incoming) then I find there are broken water lines under the house, and none of the brand new fixtures in the bathroom had been hooked up. Sounds like a disaster don't it? It really was not I repaired all of that painted walls and ceilings, and refinished the cabinets I spent $7000 total. The house appraised for $44000 so I have to leave a little cash in the house after refinance. I have the place rented for $540 a month which gives me a small cash flow. I am happy and this was a very cheap lesson. The lesson? Stay with it, overcome the obstacles, and keep your cool.

    The 2nd property. I was offered a mobile home a young couple were living in, no charge I just had to get it moved within 60 days because they were getting a new home. I knew of a lot for sale 3 blocks away which had been for sale for a couple of years because it was over priced. I paid a premium for the lot and moved the home. I have a total of $12000 in the deal and the place is rented for $500. The lesson? recognize a good deal then act quickly.

  • Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Brendan Flannery

    That seems hard to believe? Why did it take you 5 years and how did you complete so much in just one year?

  • Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    I'm a newbie and I'm not afraid of buying something right now.

    I have done my homework and continue to educate myself (BP being a huge help in this regard). I'm ready to pull the trigger when I find the right property. My husband and I just put an offer on a duplex in Cleveland and the numbers were great. After the inspection, there were too many issues, so we backed out.

    Now we're on the hunt for another opportunity. The plan is to buy two properties this year and we're committed to achieving this goal.

    From a new investor's perspective, it may not always be inertia that's holding you back. It could be a real limitation, a false concept or perceived obstacle in a very specific area. For example, we're investing long distance. From what I've learned from other investors, a key to success is having a solid property manager. This seems like a Herculean task as the reviews, recommendations, and experiences are incredibly mixed. It didn't stop us from pulling the trigger on an offer, but it's a huge concern. I have a great realtor, lender, and attorney on my team, but I'm missing a key component—the quarterback (PM).

    Learning from someone who's more knowledgeable can often help to instantly overcome a limitation. I don't have a guide on this journey, but that doesn't stop me from scouring through every post and doing the best I can to educate myself to achieve a goal.

    So, inertia may be an issue for some, but if you dig a little deeper, it could also be a lack of knowledge or confidence in a very specific area which freezes someone from taking action.

    For me, the biggest question has been, "When I come up against a wall, what do I do to get around it? Has someone else experienced this and how did they overcome it? Where can I learn more about it? Is there someone more knowledgeable I can talk to? And even further, is it really a wall or is it a fake wall? 

    Great topic—thanks, @Chris Hopper for bringing it to the forefront.

  • Rental Property Investor · Montclair, NJ · Member since 2019 · 37 posts · 9 votes
    6y

    @Vijaianand Thirunageswaram @Chris Hopper how do you find a mentor? Is there people out there who is really willing to mentor a stranger they just met?

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