Seeking feedback from anyone on BiggerPockets who is in this program.
Investor · Lake Oswego, OR · Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 19 votes
I'm wondering about Pace Morby's Gator program. It sounds like there are five strategies, and the first one is essentially inserting yourself into a deal by providing the funds for an earnest money deposit for someone like a wholesaler. I have no idea what the other strategies are. Does anyone have any insights on if this is worth pursuing? The lifetime access fee for the training is nearly $3000.
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
@Misty Amburgy: Your Comment: "Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. If I can answer any questions I will do my best."
Since you asked. I'm just wondering if since he is so generous, has he paid these people back? It seems fair to ask:
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
THIS CONTRACTOR IS NOT ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH THIS LICENSE AT THIS TIME. THIS CONTRACTOR MAY BE OPERATING WITH OTHER CURRENT LICENSES
| Business Entity Name | AZ Contracting Group LLC |
|---|---|
| City and State | Tempe, AZ, 85282 |
| Phone | (480) 239-1066 |
| Status / Action | Revoked |
| Status Last Changed On: | 2021-07-27 |
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
ADDITIONAL COMPLAINT INFORMATION
| TYPE | COMPLAINT ID | OUTCOME | CLOSED DATE (IF CLOSED) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Disciplined | 2019-04542 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-12-09 |
| Disciplined | 2019-00552 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-07-08 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01410 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-07-26 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01649 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-09-03 |
| Disciplined | 2018-05708 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-21 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-4172 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-26 |
Hey Jamie,
Check out post by
Kyle Giess He asked about Gator Method and got a few answers. Hope that helps
@Jamie Stone lots of information out there that has a big price tag on it. I would suggest to try some local real estate meetup groups. Meetup.com is a good resource for those but some of the groups will also post here on Bigger Pockets Marketplace too. Even facebook might have some good local groups for you. Most of the local groups are completely free. And as with everything, some will be better than others but at least you won't have to spend a ton of money to learn. That's what I would suggest to do first.
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
Sweet Jamie
I would like to connect and hear more about your story and see how I can help you.
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
@Misty Amburgy: Your Comment: "Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. If I can answer any questions I will do my best."
Since you asked. I'm just wondering if since he is so generous, has he paid these people back? It seems fair to ask:
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
THIS CONTRACTOR IS NOT ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH THIS LICENSE AT THIS TIME. THIS CONTRACTOR MAY BE OPERATING WITH OTHER CURRENT LICENSES
| Business Entity Name | AZ Contracting Group LLC |
|---|---|
| City and State | Tempe, AZ, 85282 |
| Phone | (480) 239-1066 |
| Status / Action | Revoked |
| Status Last Changed On: | 2021-07-27 |
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
ADDITIONAL COMPLAINT INFORMATION
| TYPE | COMPLAINT ID | OUTCOME | CLOSED DATE (IF CLOSED) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Disciplined | 2019-04542 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-12-09 |
| Disciplined | 2019-00552 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-07-08 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01410 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-07-26 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01649 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-09-03 |
| Disciplined | 2018-05708 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-21 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-4172 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-26 |
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
@Misty Amburgy: Your Comment: "Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. If I can answer any questions I will do my best."
Since you asked. I'm just wondering if since he is so generous, has he paid these people back? It seems fair to ask:
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
THIS CONTRACTOR IS NOT ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH THIS LICENSE AT THIS TIME. THIS CONTRACTOR MAY BE OPERATING WITH OTHER CURRENT LICENSES
| Business Entity Name | AZ Contracting Group LLC |
|---|---|
| City and State | Tempe, AZ, 85282 |
| Phone | (480) 239-1066 |
| Status / Action | Revoked |
| Status Last Changed On: | 2021-07-27 |
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
ADDITIONAL COMPLAINT INFORMATION
| TYPE | COMPLAINT ID | OUTCOME | CLOSED DATE (IF CLOSED) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Disciplined | 2019-04542 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-12-09 |
| Disciplined | 2019-00552 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-07-08 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01410 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-07-26 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01649 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-09-03 |
| Disciplined | 2018-05708 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-21 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-4172 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-26 |
This the same guy?
https://www.ksl.com/article/5684021/employees-with-tank-comp... Reddit threads about this and allegedly has his license revoked in Arizona as a GC for numerous violations.
https://azroc.my.site.com/AZRoc/s/contractor-search?licenseId=a0ot0000000NaFsAAK
| Business Entity Name | AZ Contracting Group LLC |
|---|---|
| City and State | Tempe, AZ, 85282 |
| Phone | (480) 239-1066 |
| Status / Action | Revoked |
| Status Last Changed On: | 2021-07-27 |
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
ADDITIONAL COMPLAINT INFORMATION
| TYPE | COMPLAINT ID | OUTCOME | CLOSED DATE (IF CLOSED) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Disciplined | 2019-04542 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-12-09 |
| Disciplined | 2019-00552 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-07-08 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01410 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-07-26 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01649 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-09-03 |
| Disciplined | 2018-05708 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-21 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-4172 | Legal - Revocation |
This the same guy?
https://www.ksl.com/article/5684021/employees-with-tank-comp... Reddit threads about this and allegedly has his license revoked in Arizona as a GC for numerous violations.
https://azroc.my.site.com/AZRoc/s/contractor-search?licenseI...
I'm going with yes. In this article, it says he's from Utah and his dad is named Douglas. Same name in the article you posted which said Pace's dad is in federal prison. Curious to see how this all plays out if its true.
https://wikitia.com/wiki/Pace_Morby
| Business Entity Name | AZ Contracting Group LLC |
|---|---|
| City and State | Tempe, AZ, 85282 |
| Phone | (480) 239-1066 |
| Status / Action | Revoked |
| Status Last Changed On: | 2021-07-27 |
Name : Pace Jordan Morby
Position : Member
Other Positions : MEMBER
7 Disciplined Cases
ADDITIONAL COMPLAINT INFORMATION
| TYPE | COMPLAINT ID | OUTCOME | CLOSED DATE (IF CLOSED) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Disciplined | 2019-04542 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-12-09 |
| Disciplined | 2019-00552 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-07-08 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01410 | Legal – Revoked | 2019-07-26 |
| Disciplined | 2019-01649 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-09-03 |
| Disciplined | 2018-05708 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-21 | Legal - Revocation | 2019-04-25 |
| Disciplined | 2018-4172 | Legal - Revocation |
This the same guy?
https://www.ksl.com/article/5684021/employees-with-tank-comp... Reddit threads about this and allegedly has his license revoked in Arizona as a GC for numerous violations.
https://azroc.my.site.com/AZRoc/s/contractor-search?licenseI...
I'm going with yes. In this article, it says he's from Utah and his dad is named Douglas. Same name in the article you posted which said Pace's dad is in federal prison. Curious to see how this all plays out if its true.
https://wikitia.com/wiki/Pace_Morby
Jamie,
The Gator Method has 7 different strategies. Only 3 have been released with each new one released the price of Gator is going up. Is it completive YES. Can you make money....That is up to you and your ability to connect with people and build relationships. Will most people fail, unfortunately, yes weather they join the Gator Tribe of something else.
Pace makes a lot of money with everything he does. He is also very generous. ************* and Tony Robbins just did their Launch Pad program that sold for $997.00. Pace J. Morby is paying for over 500 of his members to get that program. He is doing additional training with the Launch Pad as well. Not to mention the $47 VIP ticket that Dean and Tony had for their week long event. Everyone that signed up Pace paid. I have no idea how many people signed up.
Pace is a man and imperfect, however, he is helping so many people with the community he is building. The community that is where I find so much value. Meeting many different people that are on many different levels in their real estate journey. Doing JV deals or just getting answers to questions in real time, for me that is priceless. If you or anyone wants the wholesale contract that is written so you get you EMD back if the deal doesn't close just hit me up I will share that at absolutely no charge.
If I can answer any questions I will do my best.
Sweet Jamie
I would like to connect and hear more about your story and see how I can help you.
Like Misty and Jamie, I'm a Gator and also a Subto member.
Like you and Misty, I’m a Gator. I joined Gator is April of ’22 and Subto a month after that in May ’23.
Jamie, you asked for feedback from a member of Subto, and here’s mine. First however, I think it’s important to know why you’re interested in a mentorship program first – before you can adequately determine its value or worth. Asking is it worth it is like asking does it taste good – what do you expect it to taste like? What do you expect to get out of it first – then did you get it – then have those expectations been exceeded?
In short - here are the reasons I pivoted to Real Estate Investing:
What I was (originally) looking to get out of the program:
My experience and feedback based on my expectations:
Tens of Thousands of dollars have been spent refining these contracts and just having access to this library was worth the price. These contracts and discussions within the community are augmented by the real world applications of the same, as well as the corporate structure necessary to provide all the protections and benefits.
The real question is - would I use them? Would I apply what I’ve learned? This is where the investment either does or does not translate into value. And this, in my opinion, is where mentorship programs get some negative reviews. Often the member is committed to completing and utilizing whatever material at the beginning of the program, but after a few weeks or months and life starts happening again, they get pulled back by the gravity of the familiar and stop or don’t apply what was learned. E.g. Reviews are relative. Quickly addressing some of the comments posting articles about Pace from 2009, I can’t speak to past or pending litigation. However, like many, I too start with the negative reviews on Amazon. The ones that are important are the ones about the product. Not about the vendor, or delivery, something else that has nothing to do with the product. Each review has a story and each has it’s place. It would be nice to have a category for those reviews so I could search for product only. It’s similar to the article about Pace’s litigation. What I’ve learned in Subto, is that no contract is the same and the devil is in the details. There are many reasons why things can look bad on the outside, but they really aren’t. This is also why two parties go to court or arbitration, they differ in their interpretation of typically very clear language in the contract and one or the other doesn’t want to honor it. A story that does not clearly lay out the language of the contract, the dispute and both parties position (which is rarely if ever done) is only positioning for public support for one side to sell clicks or advertising. I’m just saying take reviews, articles and other forms of information at face value and never discount the source. Public sentiment is powerful and negativity certainly garners more likes, clicks and ad revenue that positive stores. I think the ratio used to be 10:1, but may be more near 100:1. But, I digress.
What additional items, value I got out of the program:
This was and still is, the biggest surprise to me. The mentorship only last for 6-9 weeks or something, but you get the very helpful content in the program, but you also get all of the above + more intangibles, all of which I can't list here. Pace puts out so much content that I seriously don't know how he does it. But anyone who's wished that their lives, businesses, or work environments worked more seamlessly together, will appreciate what Pace is building. He has named and nurtured, provided specific training and helped to differentiate each specific segment of the REI ecosystem, but all within this community.
He has a community that is interested in investing in Real Estate – that's the easy part. But he's also created a document library to help them stay protected. He has done the same for those with capital that funds EMD, PML and HML. He's nurtured and created a group that calls and closes deals, just does the paperwork for deals, is only looking for Fix/Flip deals, leverages those that are just great at connecting these pieces together. Everyone can leverage their strengths and still get a little piece of that deal. He's done it, he's doing it and he helps explain how to get from A to B or wherever you want to be. Pace is building and nurturing all aspects of the Creative Finance REI ecosystem, but he's also building the next generation within the community. He is always encouraging his community (strongly and softly) to help someone. Find a newbie and reach out – help them get their first deal. He's building leaders within the community too.
What he can’t do and no one can, is vet every person that joins the community. There are deals that go bad and things that happen. People that join for a quick gain and leave a wake of problems behind them, but these are rare and he just recently announced a clever way he’ll be dealing with that too. He’s a businessman and he’s building a business and a brand.
I’m not drinking any coolaid, but I respect Pace a lot and what he’s done and doing. He encourages ethical behavior, and personal growth. He leads by example because he’s always doing a Zoom about something, contributing to the community and always asking you to figure out where you can too. Does this build his brand? Sure. But would I want to be in a community where I feel scared to take action? No! It might serve his needs too, but his approach fits my temperament and how I want to do business too.
The biggest risk in joining this mentorship program (community) is not will you get your monies worth or whether it’s of value. It’s maintaining your personal focus and not feeling overwhelmed. There is literally so much available to you, both in the video Vault and happening live every week, that it’s hard to keep up or navigate where to spend your time. There is an opportunity around every corner. I’ve been in the community for just over a year and a half, been involved in probably a dozen deals, and still feel like a newbie at times.
I hope this helps you and others get a bit of a feel for what’s in the program and what they can expect.
I would offer two pieces of advice to anyone worried about whether the program will help you.
One) Figure out what you want to get out of it first. (*This is probably the hardest step) Will the Subto community help me do X? Get me closer to my goal of Y? My buy-box is weird (whatever), is there some training on how to leverage this? After you have done this, then ask or post that question to the forum.
Two) Join the Creative Real Estate with Pace Morby Facebook Group. There are a lot of Subto students in that group and your specific question (above) will certainly garner some good feedback.
Like Misty and Jamie, I'm a Gator and also a Subto member.
Like you and Misty, I’m a Gator. I joined Gator is April of ’22 and Subto a month after that in May ’23.
Jamie, you asked for feedback from a member of Subto, and here’s mine. First however, I think it’s important to know why you’re interested in a mentorship program first – before you can adequately determine its value or worth. Asking is it worth it is like asking does it taste good – what do you expect it to taste like? What do you expect to get out of it first – then did you get it – then have those expectations been exceeded?
In short - here are the reasons I pivoted to Real Estate Investing:
What I was (originally) looking to get out of the program:
My experience and feedback based on my expectations:
Tens of Thousands of dollars have been spent refining these contracts and just having access to this library was worth the price. These contracts and discussions within the community are augmented by the real world applications of the same, as well as the corporate structure necessary to provide all the protections and benefits.
The real question is - would I use them? Would I apply what I’ve learned? This is where the investment either does or does not translate into value. And this, in my opinion, is where mentorship programs get some negative reviews. Often the member is committed to completing and utilizing whatever material at the beginning of the program, but after a few weeks or months and life starts happening again, they get pulled back by the gravity of the familiar and stop or don’t apply what was learned. E.g. Reviews are relative. Quickly addressing some of the comments posting articles about Pace from 2009, I can’t speak to past or pending litigation. However, like many, I too start with the negative reviews on Amazon. The ones that are important are the ones about the product. Not about the vendor, or delivery, something else that has nothing to do with the product. Each review has a story and each has it’s place. It would be nice to have a category for those reviews so I could search for product only. It’s similar to the article about Pace’s litigation. What I’ve learned in Subto, is that no contract is the same and the devil is in the details. There are many reasons why things can look bad on the outside, but they really aren’t. This is also why two parties go to court or arbitration, they differ in their interpretation of typically very clear language in the contract and one or the other doesn’t want to honor it. A story that does not clearly lay out the language of the contract, the dispute and both parties position (which is rarely if ever done) is only positioning for public support for one side to sell clicks or advertising. I’m just saying take reviews, articles and other forms of information at face value and never discount the source. Public sentiment is powerful and negativity certainly garners more likes, clicks and ad revenue that positive stores. I think the ratio used to be 10:1, but may be more near 100:1. But, I digress.
What additional items, value I got out of the program:
This was and still is, the biggest surprise to me. The mentorship only last for 6-9 weeks or something, but you get the very helpful content in the program, but you also get all of the above + more intangibles, all of which I can't list here. Pace puts out so much content that I seriously don't know how he does it. But anyone who's wished that their lives, businesses, or work environments worked more seamlessly together, will appreciate what Pace is building. He has named and nurtured, provided specific training and helped to differentiate each specific segment of the REI ecosystem, but all within this community.
He has a community that is interested in investing in Real Estate – that's the easy part. But he's also created a document library to help them stay protected. He has done the same for those with capital that funds EMD, PML and HML. He's nurtured and created a group that calls and closes deals, just does the paperwork for deals, is only looking for Fix/Flip deals, leverages those that are just great at connecting these pieces together. Everyone can leverage their strengths and still get a little piece of that deal. He's done it, he's doing it and he helps explain how to get from A to B or wherever you want to be. Pace is building and nurturing all aspects of the Creative Finance REI ecosystem, but he's also building the next generation within the community. He is always encouraging his community (strongly and softly) to help someone. Find a newbie and reach out – help them get their first deal. He's building leaders within the community too.
What he can’t do and no one can, is vet every person that joins the community. There are deals that go bad and things that happen. People that join for a quick gain and leave a wake of problems behind them, but these are rare and he just recently announced a clever way he’ll be dealing with that too. He’s a businessman and he’s building a business and a brand.
I’m not drinking any coolaid, but I respect Pace a lot and what he’s done and doing. He encourages ethical behavior, and personal growth. He leads by example because he’s always doing a Zoom about something, contributing to the community and always asking you to figure out where you can too. Does this build his brand? Sure. But would I want to be in a community where I feel scared to take action? No! It might serve his needs too, but his approach fits my temperament and how I want to do business too.
The biggest risk in joining this mentorship program (community) is not will you get your monies worth or whether it’s of value. It’s maintaining your personal focus and not feeling overwhelmed. There is literally so much available to you, both in the video Vault and happening live every week, that it’s hard to keep up or navigate where to spend your time. There is an opportunity around every corner. I’ve been in the community for just over a year and a half, been involved in probably a dozen deals, and still feel like a newbie at times.
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Like Misty and Jamie, I'm a Gator and also a Subto member.
Like you and Misty, I’m a Gator. I joined Gator is April of ’22 and Subto a month after that in May ’23.
Jamie, you asked for feedback from a member of Subto, and here’s mine. First however, I think it’s important to know why you’re interested in a mentorship program first – before you can adequately determine its value or worth. Asking is it worth it is like asking does it taste good – what do you expect it to taste like? What do you expect to get out of it first – then did you get it – then have those expectations been exceeded?
In short - here are the reasons I pivoted to Real Estate Investing:
What I was (originally) looking to get out of the program:
My experience and feedback based on my expectations:
Tens of Thousands of dollars have been spent refining these contracts and just having access to this library was worth the price. These contracts and discussions within the community are augmented by the real world applications of the same, as well as the corporate structure necessary to provide all the protections and benefits.
The real question is - would I use them? Would I apply what I’ve learned? This is where the investment either does or does not translate into value. And this, in my opinion, is where mentorship programs get some negative reviews. Often the member is committed to completing and utilizing whatever material at the beginning of the program, but after a few weeks or months and life starts happening again, they get pulled back by the gravity of the familiar and stop or don’t apply what was learned. E.g. Reviews are relative. Quickly addressing some of the comments posting articles about Pace from 2009, I can’t speak to past or pending litigation. However, like many, I too start with the negative reviews on Amazon. The ones that are important are the ones about the product. Not about the vendor, or delivery, something else that has nothing to do with the product. Each review has a story and each has it’s place. It would be nice to have a category for those reviews so I could search for product only. It’s similar to the article about Pace’s litigation. What I’ve learned in Subto, is that no contract is the same and the devil is in the details. There are many reasons why things can look bad on the outside, but they really aren’t. This is also why two parties go to court or arbitration, they differ in their interpretation of typically very clear language in the contract and one or the other doesn’t want to honor it. A story that does not clearly lay out the language of the contract, the dispute and both parties position (which is rarely if ever done) is only positioning for public support for one side to sell clicks or advertising. I’m just saying take reviews, articles and other forms of information at face value and never discount the source. Public sentiment is powerful and negativity certainly garners more likes, clicks and ad revenue that positive stores. I think the ratio used to be 10:1, but may be more near 100:1. But, I digress.
What additional items, value I got out of the program:
This was and still is, the biggest surprise to me. The mentorship only last for 6-9 weeks or something, but you get the very helpful content in the program, but you also get all of the above + more intangibles, all of which I can't list here. Pace puts out so much content that I seriously don't know how he does it. But anyone who's wished that their lives, businesses, or work environments worked more seamlessly together, will appreciate what Pace is building. He has named and nurtured, provided specific training and helped to differentiate each specific segment of the REI ecosystem, but all within this community.
He has a community that is interested in investing in Real Estate – that's the easy part. But he's also created a document library to help them stay protected. He has done the same for those with capital that funds EMD, PML and HML. He's nurtured and created a group that calls and closes deals, just does the paperwork for deals, is only looking for Fix/Flip deals, leverages those that are just great at connecting these pieces together. Everyone can leverage their strengths and still get a little piece of that deal. He's done it, he's doing it and he helps explain how to get from A to B or wherever you want to be. Pace is building and nurturing all aspects of the Creative Finance REI ecosystem, but he's also building the next generation within the community. He is always encouraging his community (strongly and softly) to help someone. Find a newbie and reach out – help them get their first deal. He's building leaders within the community too.
What he can’t do and no one can, is vet every person that joins the community. There are deals that go bad and things that happen. People that join for a quick gain and leave a wake of problems behind them, but these are rare and he just recently announced a clever way he’ll be dealing with that too. He’s a businessman and he’s building a business and a brand.
I’m not drinking any coolaid, but I respect Pace a lot and what he’s done and doing. He encourages ethical behavior, and personal growth. He leads by example because he’s always doing a Zoom about something, contributing to the community and always asking you to figure out where you can too. Does this build his brand? Sure. But would I want to be in a community where I feel scared to take action? No! It might serve his needs too, but his approach fits my temperament and how I want to do business too.
The biggest risk in joining this mentorship program (community) is not will you get your monies worth or whether it’s of value. It’s maintaining your personal focus and not feeling overwhelmed. There is literally so much available to you, both in the video Vault and happening live every week, that it’s hard to keep up or navigate where to spend your time. There is an opportunity around every corner. I’ve been in the community for just over a year and a half, been involved in probably a dozen deals, and still feel like a newbie at times.
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I’m getting every penny out of joining the Gator community!
I have found people to partner with to do deals, and have earned back double my cost of joining after only being in the group for 1 year.
I have been on BP for 10 years and never found people to do deals with, so Pace’s tribe has been way more beneficial for me.