Asheville extensive rehab and duplex conversion

Asheville extensive rehab and duplex conversion

Mike SzaboPro Member
Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes

My wife and I just finished a big project I have been working on for the last eight months. I wanted to share it with the Asheville area. We currently have a mixture of long term and short term rentals but this project was definitely our biggest. I know it is hard to find good long term rental deals here, but with some creativity and work, they still exist.


We purchased this group home back in February. We found it on the MLS listed for $230,000. It had been sitting on there for 18 months. It had multiple people who made offers on it but no one could make financing or their desired use work. The size and footprint made it a perfect shell for a duplex. After calling zoning, we found out it is zoned commercial so it would allow up to 8 units and a duplex would be no problem.


It is a 1,900 sqft brick ranch built in 1973. It had 5 bedrooms and 2 baths. It was in poor condition with some of the following problems:

No hvac

Past termite damage

Water damage in multiple areas with active leaks

Aluminum wiring

Poor layout

Grading issues

Foundation issues

We did some numbers and estimated the rehab to be close to $100,000. That being said, we decided a $170,000 offer would make it attractive. We offered that amount as a cash offer ( personal capital, hard money and family). They accepted with no counter.

We used a guy I know who is a contractor to oversee the project. I organized all the subs, orchestrated the tasks and did a lot of work. Once we got to work is when all the fun started. In order to turn it into a duplex, we had to :

-move multiple walls

-block the main hallway leading to the other end of the house.

-Create another kitchen

-Create another laundry room

-Create a firewall in attic and main level

-Add 2 hvac units with duct work

-Add an additional water heater

On top of all that we had to remodel everything and fix all its issues to make it an attractive rental. We originally planned to only do a partial gut job, but after discovering the aluminum wiring, we tore out everything in order to get to wires and make it easier. Once the drywall was out, the insulation has to be brought to code. We also went ahead and redid the plumbing.

On the outside, we redid the grade to fix water issues, painted the exterior, built new decks, landscaped and added a fence.

This project was pretty tough. We faced a lot of challenges that made it way over budget and take longer than expected. Lumber prices going up, the full gut, rewire and reinsulate made the budget go up significantly. We ended up being close to $130k for the rehab after planning for $100k. A lot of the subs were behind schedule so that really delayed things also.

We were very fortunate that during all of this the market has continued to go up and rents really increased. We still would have been ok but it really sweetened the deal. We have just signed leases for both sides. The bigger side $1,700 and the smaller side $1,600. We are in the process of refinancing and should be able to BRRR out of the house no problem.


Some of the basic numbers reviewed:

Initial purchase price: $170,000

Rehab: $130,000

ARV :$425,000

Rents: $3,300 total per month

Monthly cost:

$100 water est

$100 lawn care

I should be able to refi out with a 75ltv cash out.

My interest rate should be 4.875%

If my cash out is $315k ( to help cover closing and holding cost) my mortgage piti will be around

$1,975

Ill factor :

5% vacancy rate ( really hot market)

3% cap ex

3% repairs

I only did 3% because everything is basically new.

After all of that, my cash flow should be $962 per month.

I had a lot of good help that made this come together.I am really happy how everything worked out. I can’t wait for the next one.

See more pictures below

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Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2020 · 463 posts · 507 votes
4y

Hi @John Bouchard. Welcome to the area! We have a great local BP meetup here in Asheville, twice per month to accommodate schedule challenges. It's rather open forum and spontaneous. The group shares many great ideas, resources, and experiences. And the camaraderie is great as well. One meeting is at 6PM on the third Wednesday of each month, at Archetype Brewing on Broadway. The other is at 9AM on the fourth Wednesday, at a location that may change soon. If you message me with your email address, I'll send you a copy of the invite. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 17 votes
    4y

    Looks great - congrats! We also have a duplex rental in Avl. One side is longterm, the other is furnished 3mo rental now. Used to be monthly on VRBO.

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    4y

    That's awesome, Mike. Congratulations! I really appreciate you sharing your approach and experience with this BRRR. I'm just getting started on my property investment journey and learning from folks like you is tremendously helpful! It gives me hope.

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Cindy Coker thats great. We thought about doing 30 day rentals with this one. Have you stayed consistently booked? 

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Stacie Hime thanks Stacie.

  • Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2020 · 463 posts · 507 votes
    4y

    @Mike Szabo, thanks for sharing the details. Super helpful! That's great cash flow, on top of the value you built for your next investment. 

    Regarding demand for furnished monthly rentals, I think the demand is massive in our market, and quite underserved. The approach works really great for us.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2019 · 90 posts · 73 votes
    4y

    @Mike Szabo

    Congrats Mike! Great approach finding out the zoning and making the conversion!

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 17 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    Great Job Mike. Congratulations! Thank you for posting the details, very inspirational.

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Beau Watson Thank you Beau!

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Leunam Segura Thank you Leunam!

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2019 · 90 posts · 73 votes
    4y

    @Mike Szabo

    Who do you like for a contractor? About to start a rehab out in Canton, NC.

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Beau Watson They are tough to find available good ones. Reach out to Willow Creek Builders to see if it’s something they would do?

  • Rental Property Investor · Hendersonville, NC · Member since 2016 · 446 posts · 412 votes
    4y

    Nice @Mike Szabo.... and people say you can't find cash flow in WNC.  Great job.  I love doing BRRRRs on these small multi-family properties.

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Ryan Howell Thank you. I definitely think small multi family has more deals out there than the single family stuff.

  • Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    4y

    Very cool. We drive by that house all of the time. Thanks for the insight, very cool

  • Rental Property Investor · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 17 votes
    4y

    Just saw this (The App doesn't work on phone anymore, so get in the forums less). We did stay fairly well booked doing the furnished monthly thing, but got tired of the sales/occupancy tax, so went to 3mo minimum a couple years ago. Stays fairly well booked solid. Travel nurse for a while, folks looking/finding home to buy, folks staying while building on land out in the county. It's been good for them and us.

  • Michael BlumBusiness Member
    NC · Member since 2018 · 55 posts · 49 votes
    4y

    @Mike Szabo

    Just saw this. Thanks for sharing, definitely some great food for thought as far as options in the Asheville area.

  • Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2020 · 463 posts · 507 votes
    4y

    @Cindy Coker I have a furnished monthly as well, and really like the model. Revenue is double. I have a lease, deposit, BG check, etc. There's no shortage of applications within a day or two of listing. It's super passive. I do the 90-day minimum as well. Also, one large benefit I like is the fact that the home is preserved pretty well, because tenants aren't moving their stuff in and out.

  • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2013 · 47 posts · 11 votes
    4y

    @Mike Szabo

    I remember this property.…. You out bid us on it!

    Nice creativity to pull the deal together and get quote accepted.

    Think I remember a strangely large basement with this property… did you do anything there?

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    4y
    Excellent job Mike - what neighborhood is this? I'll have to drive by it and check it out one day.
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  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @Allison Ezzi Thanks Allison. This one actually is on a smaller crawl space. I know that it had multiple offers before ours but no one could figure out what to do with it.

  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @JD Martin it is off Bradley Branch Rd in Arden.

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Mike Szabo:

    @JD Martin it is off Bradley Branch Rd in Arden.


     Ah, southside. I avoid that area as much as possible :D

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  • Mike SzaboPro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 29 votes
    4y

    @JD Martin HaHa. It isn’t so bad!

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Mike Szabo:

    @JD Martin HaHa. It isn’t so bad!

    The traffic is horrible! The never-ending construction on 26. I dread it when I have to go anywhere between 240 and the airport :)
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  • Investor · Black Mountian NC Vail CO Key West FL, Burlington VT · Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
    4y

    Great job  @Mike Szabo! I am new to Black Mountain.  If there are any meet ups in the area, I would love to join.  Looking at learning this Asheville market!

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