Buy and Hold SFH Huntsville,AL

Buy and Hold SFH Huntsville,AL

Huntsville, AL · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes

I'm new, to the site and to social internet mechanics (forums) as a whole, so please forgive me if I put this in the wrong place or something.

Here is the deal:

Current offer $54k (1st offer was 49k)

1570 sqft house

Built in 2007 by Hunter homes. (Think really cheap with open floor plans).

Corner lot, no fence, needs paint (in and out), outside trim repair, curb appeal, and carpets cleaned.

Qualified for Homepath.

If your not familiar with Homepath, for investors, you only need 10% down, No MI, no appraisal, and they are authorized to pay up to 2% toward closing. Of course this all comes at a cost of ~1.5% higher APR than a 25% down conventional.

The neighborhood is 1/2 investor owned or in foreclosure. I'm planning to build a fence, due to the rough look of the neighborhood and it being a corner lot. The average rent is $850/month for that size house in this neighborhood. Only one house not under contract, but my realtor says the PMC is horrible and most realtors avoid them.

As it stands now, I'm in violation of the 50% rule and the 2% rule. With P/I,tax,&ins I'm looking at $250 left over for maintenance and profits... Granted, it's a new house so I don't think I'll have any big expenses coming up for a while. But I don't see how I could find a property that would meet the 50% or 2% rules.

Please tell me if I'm being too conservative or if I should be concerned.

Thanks,

Jim

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  • Salem, OR · Member since 2013 · 701 posts · 159 votes
    12y

    You have left some information out which is needed to fully review. I will try to fill in the missing parts with my estimates. First, the purchase price is $54,000 of which $5,400 is the required down payment. I am going to guess that you will have to pay $2,000 in closing after the two percent is paid. That makes your required cash $7,400 with a $48,600 loan. I would guess your monthly payment of P and I to be about $290. You stated that you would have $250 per month after paying the mortgage. That means you would have $540 before the mortgage. I am going to estimate maintenance on the high side at 15% of rent or $128 per month.

    This leaves you $412 per month or $4944 per year net operating income. We have not allowed anything for property management or vacancies. If you estimate vacancies at 5% and property management at 10% of net rents then you have a cost of $1,377 per year for net operating costs of $3,567.

    I am estimating your initial cost as $7,400 +$48,600 + about $5,000 for repairs or a total of $61,000. If net operating income is $3,567 then you potential cap rate is 5.8%. You have spent $12,400 in cash and have cash flow of $87 per month.

    Based on the two metrics of Cash on Cash and Cap rate I would say that this is not a good deal. I like my cap rate to be 2-3 percentage points above my interest rate.

    I hope that you can now fill in some real numbers and make a better assessment.

    Bill

  • Rental Property Investor · Brookline, MA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 777 votes
    12y

    @Jim Marks

    This is a "maybe" in my book. I see about 10% ROI and just under $100/month in to your pocket. I guessed on several things:

    I budgeted $10k for repairs and additions and worked into the financing. Which I believe is one of the major points of the Homepath Program.

    Taxes $83.33 (1000/year)

    General $150.00 (This is my minimum amount, no matter the % of rent)

    Insurance $70.83 (850/year)

    Mgmt Fee $68.00 (8% of 850/month rent)

    Vacancy $51.00 (6% or 1 month/year)

    After I ran those numbers, I found my sweet spot of 15% ROI at a 40k purchase price. At 54k, I wouldn't buy it. If you had 2% in seller concessions, I'd buy it for 42k.

  • Huntsville, AL · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    So they countered with 55k and nothing for closing.

    Closing costs + prepaids + down payment are $8720

    I don't have an estimate for insurance, taxes are $980

    Repairs are $1k + fence

    I'm my property manager, but I'm paying $150 finder fee and $150 for MLS listing (should I bother with MLS).

    My lender is talking about rolling closing into the loan for a higher %. On the fence with this, I have the cash.

    Monthly P/I, taxes, $900 ins estimated at $450, leaving $400/month. Was going hold back $200/month for operations. (Going to setup the house with a 5k starting fund). But the house is only 6yrs old, I think what's going to hurt most is the damage from tenants.

    So I shouldn't do this?

  • Rental Property Investor · Brookline, MA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 777 votes
    12y

    I would stick to my numbers, you should stick with your's. Sit on your offer and poke them once or twice a month until it sells. Just because they don't want to deal today doesn't mean the also won't in February.

    Always look for the next deal, there will be lots and lots of these that you can't quite make work.

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