My First Flip (Michigan)

My First Flip (Michigan)

Real Estate Investor · Hickory Corners, MI · Member since 2013 · 9 posts · 5 votes

TL;DR - before, during & after pictures are available here along with the listing link:

I purchased a 2/1 SFR from a County tax sale, the property is located near a major university (which at the time was the ONLY thing it had going for it). I paid cash ($7500) and figured on about $13k in renovations (ended up at $15k) with the intent of selling (ARV $60k) if the market remained favorable or renting (~$650/month) if it was not.

In Michigan, tax sales prevent potential buyers from inspecting the interior of the home. I did a few drive-by's and found out the owner still lived in the property so I added eviction costs to my expense sheet.

Getting the tenants out was painful and ended up taking way longer than it should have. I heard every excuse in the book and kept falling for it, I felt really bad for the family and didn't keep up the pressure like I should have (and WILL do in the future).

The house itself was in complete disrepair; dogs had chewed & clawed the floors, doors and walls. The kitchen was in shambles and the bathroom was trashed. In the end, it took three 30 yard dumpsters (for a 780 sqft house!) for the debris, trash and demo to get this sucker cleaned out.

Some of the highlights on this flip included all new: windows, doors, flooring, roof, drywall throughout, whole home insulation, electrical service, kitchen cabinets & counters, entire bathroom, lighting, paint, etc.

The property was listed for sale at $65k January 2nd. I've had tremendous interest (over 5800 web-views in Jan) but terrible weather so only 6 showings so far. Feedback has been fantastic but no offers yet.

I'll post updates as I get them

The jury is still out on this project but I'm looking at a potential profit of $30k-$35k depending on selling price and closing costs.

Some lessons learned:

Time IS Money - I spent weekends and nights working on this place to save some cash, in the end I could have paid a bit (~$5k) more and had it ready to sell in weeks versus months.

Keep track of everything - The amount of data I have from this flip is astounding: Square footage of rooms, kitchen layouts, electrical diagrams, paint schemes & material samples, inspection documents, eviction process, quantity of materials used and of course all of the costs.

I'm much more confident in accurately estimating jobs and can spot questionable charges/material quantities - the best part is that the more flips you do the better your data gets!

Evictions take time - I wasted months getting the owner out, so while the actual court/attorney costs (~$650) weren't terrible the lost time was.

Tax sales & title insurance - Getting title insurance on a tax sale is much harder and more expensive than for a "regular" home.

Look into "freebies" - The city this house is located in offers free pickup of large trash items and of leaves & tree limbs; check online or call the city.

I also received a nice energy rebate from the power company for using energy efficient windows and insulating to the required r value.

Order early - My countertop install was delayed by 4 weeks due to my lack of planning. Get the order in and measurement done as soon as possible so you can schedule your install when it's needed.

Don't go "cheap" - I initially planned on using the cheapest materials I could get away with but quickly realized that for a small increase in price you could get a huge increase in quality.

My bathroom vanity is a great example, for $70 more I got granite counters & high quality nickel fixture that looks fantastic.

Discounts - You'd be amazed at how much you can save if you do the following:

  1. Price it out - Shop around, look online, compare prices & get at least 3 quotes on jobs.
  2. Rewards - Credit card miles/rewards/cashback can stack up in a hurry, don't overlook the benefits.
  3. Coupons - Veterans/Military get 10% off at Home Depot & Lowes. For the rest of you, there is a 10% off movers coupon that you can download and print from Lowes. Also, Menards (regional) offers an 11% off sale several times a year.
  4. Buy gift cards (arbitrage) - You can easily find gift cards with a discount (i.e. you pay $90 for a $100 gift card) using a coupon code or purchasing through a gift card exchange. The cool thing about this is that you can use your credit card for miles/points and then you can use the gift cards + coupon above.

Thanks for reading,

Scott

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Flint, MI · Member since 2013 · 106 posts · 38 votes
12y

I'm impressed you got all that done for $15K. Good job! May it sell quickly.

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  • Kalamazoo, MI · Member since 2013 · 72 posts · 10 votes
    12y

    @Scott Hershberger , nice work! The house looks beautiful and the hard work definitely shows. The house looked like a nightmare beforehand...I'm surprised that they're the same place!

    Where do the county tax sales take place? I mean, hypothetically speaking of course, if this inspired some other investor to give it a shot, where would they go or who would they talk to to get started?

  • Investor · Detroit, MI · Member since 2012 · 119 posts · 64 votes
    12y

    Sounds like a great investment. I just completed a tax sale house too (Wayne County). Luckily my house was not inhabited. PS. Did you find a title company to insure it? I found a company that has an alternative process to obtaining Quiet Title and they will insure over it. The process takes less time and costs less.

  • SFR Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 34 posts · 6 votes
    12y

    @Scott Hershberger Good job on the finishes..The house looks great!!

    All the best for a quick sale. Keep us posted on the progress.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    What I really like about this is the lessons learned - Ned

  • Involved In Real Estate · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2010 · 812 posts · 178 votes
    12y

    Looks good scott.

    Bucked the beige trend in the bathroom? I'm seeing that lime green more often. Personally not a fan, but i'm seeing it a lot in properties lately.

    Good luck to you!

  • Flint, MI · Member since 2013 · 106 posts · 38 votes
    12y

    I'm impressed you got all that done for $15K. Good job! May it sell quickly.

  • Chris K.Pro Member
    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    12y

    Nice

  • Real Estate Investor · Hickory Corners, MI · Member since 2013 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    Gotta love BP, the members are awesome. Thank you for all the responses guys!

    @Josiah Swartz Thank you, when I did my initial walkthrough I could see that my demo guy thought I was nuts for even considering the place.

    Regarding tax sales in MI, this site: https://www.tax-sale.info/ (then look on the right for the Information & Guidelines) is where the vast majority of counties go through. The owner/auctioneer is fabulous, great sense of humor and does an immense amount of "buyer beware" work pre-auction. You can also bid online if you setup your account and fund it prior to the auction. Auction season starts up in the Summer and goes through the Fall. They have two auctions for each county, the first has a minimum bid (basically unpaid taxes + admin fees) while the second has no minimum (all the junk from the first that didn't sell).

    I will say that you MUST visit every property that you intend to bid on in person. Many are condemned or have major structural issues and once you buy it you own it =D

    @David O Not at all bad starting out. I do have some rental properties as well so I wasn't a true real estate investment virgin but I've never flipped a place. I found 2 title companies who will insure the quit claim after quieting the title but both are double the "regular" title insurance costs. Not sure on protocol or policy regarding posting companies so I'll PM you. **If it's fine to post here I'll edit and add**

    @Ned Carey I think the single most valuable part of this investment was the knowledge & experience gained during the flip. I won't do nearly as much work myself in future projects but I totally recommend being in the middle of everything the first time through. Hopefully my "lessons" weren't all just common sense stuff and it actually helps someone out.

    @Joe Delia I should take another picture of the bathroom from the side, there is a large linen closet in there that matches the vanity - the dark wood finish with the green really pops IMO.

    @Scott McMahan $15k and a whole lotta sweat ;) I did all the electrical, flooring, painting, finish work and the cabinet installation myself.

    @Account Closed @Chris K. Thanks gents!

    - Scott H

  • Middletown, NJ · Member since 2011 · 108 posts · 22 votes
    12y

    That floor in the kitchen and family room looks nice for that price point. What product did you go with?

  • Real Estate Investor · Hickory Corners, MI · Member since 2013 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    @Mike D. Traffic Master Sonora Maple (8mm) from Home Depot - about 20 cents more than the low end 7mm stuff but it's a nice wide plank with great reviews. Think I ended up paying an extra 70-80 bucks but it was WELL worth it.

  • Real Estate Agent · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 154 posts · 67 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Joe Delia:
    Looks good scott.

    Bucked the beige trend in the bathroom? I'm seeing that lime green more often. Personally not a fan, but i'm seeing it a lot in properties lately.

    Good luck to you!

    We painted the kitchen/living/dining room of our personal residence in similar shades of green and yellow. When we decided to turn it into a rental I was worried that the colorscheme might turn off potential renters. Turned out it wasn't a problem at all. In fact, when we were showing it most people commented on how much they liked the colors.

    Flips need to tread a thin line between being too unique and being too bland. I think you've handled that quite artfully.

  • Real Estate Investor · Hickory Corners, MI · Member since 2013 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    @Jessica S. I appreciate that. I wanted to keep it neutral and warm and I used the same green in our old dining room (which had similar dark cherry furniture) and it looked nice.

    Not to derail my own thread but I can't help myself - is that a koala bear you are holding?

  • Real Estate Agent · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 154 posts · 67 votes
    12y

    yes! I went to Australia primarily so I could hold a koala.

  • Real Estate Investor · Madison Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 693 posts · 216 votes
    12y

    good score. I went to the Oakland County tax sale last year. Some major players were spending money freely getting those houses.

    I agree to at least do a drive by when wanting to bid on it.

    Great job

  • Investor · West Bloomfield, MI · Member since 2009 · 358 posts · 306 votes
    12y

    Nice job @Scott Hershberger on the flip, and on the write-up with lessons learned.

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2013 · 159 posts · 44 votes
    12y

    Awesome flip @Scott Hershberger ! Great lessons learned, thanks for passing them along.

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 476 posts · 294 votes
    12y

    Great write-up!

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