High End SF Bay Area Flip - Risk-Return Opinions

High End SF Bay Area Flip - Risk-Return Opinions

Investor · San Carlos, CA · Member since 2014 · 41 posts · 37 votes

I am negotiating the purchase of a well located home on the SF peninsula. As it stands, it is a 2BR 1.5BA, 1,020SF home on a 5,000 SF lot. It is currently a rental that needs some TLC.

Purchase price will be approx. $867,000

Construction of a 4BR 2.5BA 3,000 SF home will run $750k ($250/SF)

Breakout of $750k construction is as follows:

$100k - soft costs (architect, permits, etc)

$400k - Contractor - shell only

$200k - finishes

$50k - landscaping

All in costs pre-financing $1,617,000

Financing

Local Private bank will finance 60% of as complete value ($2MM) -or- 80% of total project cost.

Loan of $1.2MM at 5.5% + 1% loan fee.

Financing cost over 12 months $50k

Required skin in game (down payment) - $417k

Post Construction Sale $2MM

(less) $1.617 Acquisition/construction costs

(less) $50k financing

(less) $100k sales commission @5%

equals $233k pre-tax profit

Cash-on-Cash Return = 56%

After tax profit = $150k

Assuming 35% income tax / Total ROI = 36%

Would you do this deal?

Sticker shock aside, take a zero off if you need to relate, is there enough profit for the risk taken?

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Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
12y

@Jay Hinrichs,

Hear hear.  I saw the massive gains of my real estate holdings in 2012-2014, and I was wondering....how long would it take me to make this kind of money if I owned 100 doors and made $100/door?  The answer is ..... a long long time. 

The rent increase was incredible too.  We're talking about $300- $700/door in a couple of years. Gotta feel it for the renters.  However, the tech workers are making a lot of money here though so I don't feel bad charging them.  It's just the blue collar workers that you have to feel for.  I have more than a handful properties that are a good $300 - $500 below market rents, but I leave them alone.  Their rents are even cheaper than what @J. Martin is charging his renters in Oakland.  Gotta let others live.  I've gotten more than my fair share.  Don't be greedy.  :0)

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  • Investor · San Carlos, CA · Member since 2014 · 41 posts · 37 votes
    12y

    @Amit M. 

    I will surely be firming up my construction costs as I progress.  

    Demo in San Carlos is not an issue, no historical significance, etc.

    I am all for a reduced scope, lower sales price and wider buyer pool.

    I am definitely conservative as to appreciation rate.  My wife has to be comfortable with downside risk or no deal.

    I love the idea of keeping the thread alive with updates.  I have gotten so much from other such threads I've read on BP.

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