Real Life of a Private Lender

Real Life of a Private Lender

Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #1

Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:

1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

With these goals in mind, here's week #1:

MAKING GOOD LOANS

We have been approached by 2 borrowers regarding 2 deals:

1) A temple worth $250K and loan required is $60K. The borrower promised to pay $1,000/month.
2) A 3-unit property in a good part of Chicago; borrower claims ARV is $145K and total cost of the project is $92K. Borrower can put down 10%.

Here's our decision regarding these 2 loan applications:

1) Temple - NO DEAL. Who really knows the value of a temple? It's tempting but we have to stick with our underwriting guidelines of funding 1-4 units only. Why? Because 1-4 units are familiar to us (I have 11 years experience in buying, selling, leasing & rehabbing houses), and they're easy to sell and finance with a conventional loan in case the borrower fails to sell.
Next step: we will look for a commercial lender that can help this borrower.

2) 3-units - DEAL. The total loan required is $82,800 and if the ARV is correct, our Loan to Value is only 57% (this fits in nicely with our max LTV of 65%)
Next step: since the borrower is a beginner, we require him to prequalify first with our portfolio lender so our exit strategy is assured. Once he is prequalified and his numbers have been verified, we will definitely fund his deal.

Do our decisions make sense? Any comment or feedback specially from experienced lenders will be appreciated.

ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS

My partner and I talked last Friday and finalized our Underwriting Guidelines (these help us decide whether or not we'll fund a deal), our Loan Application Form and our Loan Application Process. In the latter, we decided on who will do what so there will be no finger-pointing down the road as to who should have done what tasks - who is responsible is clear from the very beginning. We've also finalized our Loan Products and the interest rates and points we'll charge for each loan type.

RAISING CAPITAL

We don't need additional capital right now as we have plenty. However, as a wise investor pointed out: You have to dig the well way before you are thirsty. So, we are always raising capital. How do we do this? Networking with other real estate investors.
In raising money, I don't go in front of a room full of people and ask for money (nor do I pass out flyers saying I need money). That's asking for trouble with the SEC because you might be deemed as selling a security. Instead, I talk to people one-on-one and get to know them first. I find out what their goals and dreams are. I find out what help they need and I genuinely help them. I sometimes find resources for people and I refer them my dream team of real estate attorneys, title companies, investor-friendly real estate agents, contractors, lenders, etc. I don't even talk about my lending business or my real estate business. When I network with people, it's not about me - it's about the person I am talking with.
Then I follow up and build the relationship through constant communication. Coffee meetings, phone calls, etc. I am willing to be patient and invest the time. Months...even years of building relationships are all worth the investment. When you have a pre-existing relationship with someone and that someone invested money with you or lent you money, the SEC does not frown upon that.
I am willing to plant the seed of goodwill (through networking as I described above) and water it (through follow up and building the relationship). I might do this with 100 people and only 1 will invest with me eventually but if I've helped all 100, it's ALL worthwhile. Real estate investing and lending money is fun but what makes it even more fun and worthwhile is if you work with people you trust and like. In the end, real estate investing, lending or any business is about relationships.
So dig a lot of wells NOW and if you do it right, you will not be thirsty of capital :)

Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

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Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
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" We got a referral about a company that handles the searching and application for business credit cards with 0% promotional interest rate. I am very interested because we can get between $50K to $100K in extra capital at 0% interest on year 1. "

Keep us posted on this process.

Thank You

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  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Adam Drummond:

    @Wendell De Guzman 

    enjoy reading your posts, and learning as well.  I am out of s. Carolina as you might have noticed.  what is a good rate for 50k give or take for a private loan.  I have flipped several properties in the past with my own money and convent financing, but am looking at considering private funds.  thanks for your insight.

    Adam

     Adam, I would like to get at least 12% p.a. But I know there are private lenders (those who don't lend money for a living) who are happy making 8% on their money secured by real estate.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #9

    Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:
    1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
    2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
    3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
    4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

    With these goals in mind, here's week #9:

    MAKING GOOD LOANS
    I received a call from a BP member wanting to borrow money...but we're playing phone tag right now. I don't have any other loan requests this week.

    I've been asked the question: why do rehab lenders lend only up to 65% of the ARV?Here's the answer: to breakeven or make a little bit of money in case of a foreclosure.

    When rehab lenders need to foreclose on a property, we might get up to 80% of the ARV of the house during the foreclosure auction. We will have to pay attorney's fees and court fees to foreclose on the property. Specially for judicial states like Illinois where a foreclosure can last 1-3 years, we will have to pay carrying costs like paying the taxes, insurance and utilities. These costs all add up to say 10%-15% of the property's ARV. Worst case scenario, we get our money back - which is 65% (80% of ARV is what we get from the foreclosure auction less 15% costs equals 65% - our original investment). Best case scenario, we get some profit out of the deal.

    ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS
    Since I also own a real estate wholesaling business, I've decided that our rehab lending business will now lend money to the buyers of our wholesale properties. This synergy will grow both businesses. We will get cash buyers for our wholesale properties and we will get borrowers for our rehab lending business.

    RAISING CAPITAL
    I talked with a private investor who has lower six figures in his retirement account. I convinced him to be the investor for our Joint Venture program. Our JV program helps rehabbers by lending them 50% of the money they need as downpayment for a rehab loan. In exchange, we get a profit share (25% up to 50% of the profit specially if we lend 100% of their downpayment) or 14% interest p.a. (whichever is greater). By doing this, we will help rehabbers buy more properties since they can spread their cash over more properties. Of course, we will only do this for the right rehabbers and only in the right projects (properties in areas with DOM or days on the market of less than 90 days). Also, we will have a quit claim deed in escrow so in case the rehabber-borrower defaults on either the rehab money or on our JV money, we can record that quit claim deed and take possession of the property.

    The money investor felt comfortable with the above terms.

    Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 156 posts · 50 votes
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    Wow this thread is great!

    Sorry if this has already been covered, but what kind of terms are you offering to investors who invest their cash with you to lend out? Are you giving them the full interest return from a loan and you are getting paid on the points in the transaction? Or how does that work?

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 18 votes
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    Hitching the wagon on to this thread for educational purposes.  

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Cody Steck:

    Wow this thread is great!

    Sorry if this has already been covered, but what kind of terms are you offering to investors who invest their cash with you to lend out? Are you giving them the full interest return from a loan and you are getting paid on the points in the transaction? Or how does that work?

     Cody, with one specific investor who is already lending his money at 14% interest, I will just broker the transaction and charge 4 points. That means the lender lends money to my borrower not to me. The borrower pays me 4 points and he pays the lender 14% interest p.a.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Timothy Cervantes:

    Hitching the wagon on to this thread for educational purposes.  

     Don't fall off the wagon then. :-)

    Hang in there and you will learn a lot.

    I update this thread every single week.

    You can also learn from my Real Life of a Real Estate Investor - another forum thread here on BP where I update BP Nation on what goes on in my real estate business.

  • Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2012 · 5 posts · 2 votes
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    Originally posted by @Wendell De Guzman:
    Originally posted by @Cody Steck:

    Wow this thread is great!

    Sorry if this has already been covered, but what kind of terms are you offering to investors who invest their cash with you to lend out? Are you giving them the full interest return from a loan and you are getting paid on the points in the transaction? Or how does that work?

     Cody, with one specific investor who is already lending his money at 14% interest, I will just broker the transaction and charge 4 points. That means the lender lends money to my borrower not to me. The borrower pays me 4 points and he pays the lender 14% interest p.a.

    Agreed Cody, this is a great and very interesting thread! 

    Wendell, I'm curious as to how the borrowers are vetted...how you match lenders to borrowers...the typical $ and length of the loan...and if any of the loans you have brokered have defaulted? Thanks...appreciate the information!

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @RM Brown:

    Wendell, I'm curious as to how the borrowers are vetted...how you match lenders to borrowers...the typical $ and length of the loan...and if any of the loans you have brokered have defaulted? Thanks...appreciate the information!

    How the borrowers are vetted:

    1) Credit - we check whether he pays his bills and if he has some outstanding debts, liens or judgments

    2) Capability to Pay - we want the borrower to have SKIN in the game (at least 20%) and he deposits it in escrow; we also want to know how much income he makes in case the property does not sell in 6 months, will he be able to pay the monthly interest payments

    3) Character - we run a criminal background check

    4) Rehab experience - we ask for 5 HUD settlement statements to show the borrower has done deals before

    I don't have any defaults. I lent my money out first to ensure my underwriting guidelines are strict enough and so far...it's good.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #10

    Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:
    1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
    2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
    3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
    4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

    With these goals in mind, here's week #10:

    MAKING GOOD LOANS
    Three days ago, I received the following email:

    "Have you done, or ever heard of anyone doing a 6 month loan in the 2nd position on a rehab project? I have commercial financing set up though a local bank and have used them for the last 13 deals. I need to come up with roughly 50k for the rest of my 25% down payment for a project closing feb.27. It is a large rehab in Naperville with a purchase price of 340, a rehab of 70, and an arv of 550."

    First, I like Naperville IL. It's an "A" area and I know properties sold very quickly in that area. So I responded:

    "I might be able to help. Email me the details.I won't do it as a second but I will do it as a JV with you in exchange for 25% of the profits or a minimum of 14% interest p.a."

    Why did I answer in the above manner? Based on the numbers (see below), if he agrees to this set up, I will invest $50K, he invest the rest (roughly $52K based on the spreadsheet below), he will do the work and I will take on a passive position. My $50K will earn 25% of the profit on the deal, which based on my calculation is about $69K profit or my 25% share is $17K. That means my $50K earns 34% in 6 months (or less) for an annualized return of 68%. Not too shabby. If he cannot achieve the $69K profit, I require that I get paid 14% interest p.a. - still not a bad return on my money. To protect my downside, I will require a quit claim deed in escrow from him to me and I will record that in case of default. That means, I will own the property in case he does not pay me. Of course I have to vet the borrower. I answered how I do this in the posting directly above this posting on this thread.

    ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS
    The Sales team of my real estate business is pretty excited by my announcement that from now on we will also provide financing (through our rehab lending business) for our wholesale properties.

    Tomorrow, we're doing our Lender Meetup online. I want to get different types of lenders who can help real estate investors. The lender I am featuring tomorrow is a lender who can provide 30-year mortgages as little as $10K. The event is overbooked - I got 51 people who confirmed their attendance but my gotomeeting platform can accommodate only 25 people. Let's see if everyone will attend but if so, we're going to have some upset people because they couldn't get in.

    RAISING CAPITAL
    I will talk on Thursday with a member of BP who wants to invest the $50K in his IRA. I don't want to accept the money until I talk to the prospective investor. I want to be sure his investment expectations and timelines are aligned with mine. That means, I turn down money if the investor has unrealistic expectations (like wanting to make 20% return and get his money back in 3 months). I have enough people wanting to give me enough capital to use in my real estate business as well as to lend out to others and so I am very picky even with money investors.

    Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #11

    Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:
    1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
    2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
    3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
    4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

    With these goals in mind, here's week #11:

    MAKING GOOD LOANS
    I talked with the borrower I mentioned last week and met him face-to-face. The borrower has done 14 rehab deals before, has great credit and his rehab lender (1st mortgage) is OK having a second mortgage behind it. The borrower has skin in the game of over $50K and he needed another $50K. He does not want to do a JV profit share and since his lender allows a 2nd, I agreed to doing a second (14% interest and 4 points upfront). Moreover, as you can see below, the CLTV (cumulative loan to value) is less than 70% so this is a safe loan to make even if I am in 2nd position. Lastly, just to protect my interest, he will sign a quit claim deed to me and we'll put that quit claim deed with my attorney's office. If he does not pay me in 6 months, I will record the quit claim deed and I will own the property.

    ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS
    Tomorrow, I am going to meet Dan, a guy highly recommended to me by my Acquisition VP. Dan, according to him has a big network of high networth individuals and he should be able to help us raise capital for us to lend out.

    RAISING CAPITAL
    A few days ago, I got a phone call from someone on BP (she's based in NY) who has over $300K in her self-directed 401k. She wanted to just give me the money but I told her I need to talk to her first and see if her investment expectations jive with mine. Also, this Thursday, I am flying to Ft Myers to meet a money investor who has another $300K from her Roth IRA. Her husband already invests with us and so she likes to get the same high return we're giving her husband. Let's see how that meeting goes.

    Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

  • Investor · Cary, NC · Member since 2014 · 213 posts · 31 votes
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    wow tough terms

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    Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Account Closed 

    Since getting a second on a hard money loan is virtually impossible, the terms are actually pretty fair

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Thanks @Greg H. !

    Sometimes, it's a question of the availability of money that's important vs. its cost. From the rehabber's point of view, he would rather pay 4 points, 14% interest on a $50K loan and make $50K profit vs. lose the deal.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #12

    Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:
    1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
    2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
    3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
    4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

    With these goals in mind, here's week #12:
    MAKING GOOD LOANS
    I did my due diligence on the rehabber who wanted to borrow $50K from me. This is how I vetted this borrower:

    1) I got a copy of his driver's license - I did a background check
    2) I have him send me the list of properties he bought in the past. I double checked these properties on county records to see if he has owned them just like what he said.
    3) I have him send me HUD-1s or settlement statements showing he has CLOSED on deals in a profitable way in the past.
    4) I also have him submit a list of assets and liabilities so I will determine his ability to repay the loan in case the project does not go well as planned (like he can't sell it quickly)

    I also did my due diligence on the property I am lending money on. I checked the comps and scope of work of the rehab. I am familiar with Naperville IL and I like what I saw.

    My conclusion: the borrower's background, experience and capability to pay all pan out...and the deal is a good one. I am making the loan. Also, he has great credit and a regular job. So the back up plan in case he can't sell the property fast enough: get a conventional loan to refinance me out. Lastly, as I said last week, he will sign a quit claim deed on the property so in case he does not pay me, I will own his house with 30% equity!

    It's good to know I will make 4 points and 14% interest on a safe loan like this. If this rehabber-borrower delivers on his promise on this first loan, he will have plenty of money from me to fund his future deals.

    ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS
    I met Dan - he is a good candidate to help us raise money. He himself has parents and relatives who have money and I told him to test us out first. I will give him a good real estate deal and he can get his family to help him fund the deal. When he makes money rehabbing one of our great deals, it will be easy for him to raise money for our company. 

    RAISING CAPITAL
    My meeting in Ft Myers was a success. I met the wife of one of our investors and she agreed to invest 50% of her retirement savings with us. She also got her 2 children to invest their retirement savings with us also. She could have invested 100% but the other 50% of her retirement savings is not yet in a self-directed IRA custodian yet. I've raised $153,000. Not bad for a weekend.

    Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Real Life of a Private Lender - Business Update Week #13

    Alright BP Nation, as promised, I am giving you guys a peek into what happens in the week of a private lender. By doing this, my hope is that:
    1. You will understand the psychology or what goes in the mind of a private lender (e.g., how they look at risks)
    2. You will see what DEALS get funded and why
    3. You will see the BORROWER profile that gets funded and why; NO personal info will be shared of course; and finally
    4. You will learn how private lenders RAISE CAPITAL (and what you can and cannot do when raising money)

    With these goals in mind, here's week #13:

    MAKING GOOD LOANS
    This week is slow in my rehab lending business. No borrower has submitted any loan requests. Right now, I am NOT marketing as extensively as I should to get borrowers.

    ORGANIZING FOR SUCCESS
    I am going to speak at the Chicago Area Real Estate Investors Association. They invited me to speak about wholesaling. I am excited to meet other real estate investors who may need to borrow money from me.

    RAISING CAPITAL
    In Ft Myers, I also met Stan, an investor with access to $1M. It's amazing how I am able to attract these money investors without really advertising at all. A BIG rehab lender here on BP is correct when he told me that the key in raising money is just plain old fashioned NETWORKING. Success breeds success. When people learn how successful you are in lending money, attracting money becomes easier. All you need is a few BIG whales and you will have a thriving lending business.

    I am also meeting another investor based in New Jersey this Saturday. I met her through BP. She has $300K in her 401k she wants to invest in real estate.

    One of my guys is advocating raising money through these crowdfunding platforms that are proliferating all over the place. We will try them when we are about to ran out of money through our network. For now, through out network, we have access to plenty of money (over $10M).

    Do you have any questions or comments? Write them below.

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  • Real Estate Investor / Real Estate Agent · Corpus Christi, TX · Member since 2016 · 42 posts · 15 votes
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    Great networking advise in general, ask what you can do for someone, not the other way around. What you get back is always double.

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