#19 rental was purchased today

#19 rental was purchased today

Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes

a few days late since i am super busy with the current rehabs, but closed on #19 on thursday night. 

worked on it for awhile with the listing agent and the brokerage. they apparently have a great relationship with the feds and kept trying a few times to get the best price. about a month+ ago, it was listed at 72k, i believe. then a few days later it dropped to 64.9k. i offered 52, but they didn't take. they said they had another offer. then i offered 55 and stuck to it 3 times in a row. they said best they'd do at this time was 55.5, so i took it.

it's in Garden City, but on the border with Westland. it's on a cross road (one that goes between 2 major roads, so that will push some people away. 

numbers look like this:

purchase - 55.5k
rehab - who knows, after 18, i still can't estimate properly, but i am hoping $20k at most
taxes - $2,500
rent - average rent is $1,000

the problem is that i am out of money right now and can't touch it until i am done with the latest 2 rehabs. i might do a little here and there like demo and cleaning up the yard of trees and such, but no major installs until we are done with the latest 2.

my goal was 20 a year ago. i am close, so i just need a new goal.

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Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
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Devils advocate here. Why buy just to log numbers? Given the fact you don't even have the cash to finish the project. Some free advice don't get ahead of yourself. Its this exact scenario that destroyed the levered REI investor a few short years ago. How we forget the lessons of that time.

Its quality and not quantity. If its not making you cash then pass or slow the heck down. This is not a race. Just my 2 cents....actually gave you 3 cents worth.

Good Luck !!

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  • Madison Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 472 posts · 132 votes
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    20k rehab? What's wrong with it? Will it rent as is?

  • Rental Property Investor · Glendale, CA · Member since 2013 · 685 posts · 334 votes
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    Congratulations on working towards, and meeting your goal. 

    I am not familiar with the area at all, but I like what I see. 

    I personally wouldn't do much to the bathroom, I'd demo the kitchen, and a little bit of mild work otherwise. 

    It seems like you have a bit on your hands right now, so as you make progress you can consider what your next short and/or long-terms goals will be.

    To your success 

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Congratulations!  You are making some fantastic moves.  

  • Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2013 · 90 posts · 43 votes
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    baller status achieved, good for you:  I'm dedicating the rest of this year to getting my rental numbers up

  • Investor · Park ridge, IL · Member since 2014 · 84 posts · 33 votes
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    Looks great and congrats! Everything in that house both inside and out looks cosmetic to get it rented until you can really rehab it. So roll up your sleaves and get it done and get it rented. Let the cash build up and when the tenants move out, rehab it and collect bigger rent. I do it all the time with condo's. Work great!

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Wilson Churchill:

    20k rehab? What's wrong with it? Will it rent as is?

     not much, but we update them like it's a flip. that's our downfall and a sore subject. we hope it pays off with longer term tenants and better care of the properties.

    i used to do the work myself and tackle just about anything, even with a full time job. but with 2 kids that need my attention, i have been trying (successfully) to give the work away. 

    thanks for the encouragement, everyone!

  • Madison Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 472 posts · 132 votes
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    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Wilson Churchill:

    20k rehab? What's wrong with it? Will it rent as is?

     not much, but we update them like it's a flip. that's our downfall and a sore subject. we hope it pays off with longer term tenants and better care of the properties.

    i used to do the work myself and tackle just about anything, even with a full time job. but with 2 kids that need my attention, i have been trying (successfully) to give the work away. 

    thanks for the encouragement, everyone!

     Understood. It just sounds like a lot of money. I recently purchased a couple of homes for 20k. I will close soon on a home that needs almost a total rehab, but I doubt it will run 20k. In any case, you should still have good enough cash flow with those numbers and that many units.

  • Investor · Wyandotte, MI · Member since 2015 · 18 posts · 7 votes
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    Awesome on #19!  We are downriver and just bought #13.  Just got into a few duplexes.  We have not looked much at Garden City or Westland but seems like a great price.  Keep posting updates

  • Bulawayo, Zimbabwe · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 253 votes
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    Congrats on number 19.keep pursuing the end goal

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    A fairly easy way of getting close on these after you have done a bunch is to compare it to whatever house needed a similar amount of work.  Obviously, no two houses are the same, but I find there are a lot of similarities.  This is presuming of course that you keep good records and can easily figure out how much you spent on the similar house.   

  • Rental Property Investor · Staten Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 86 posts · 11 votes
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    congrats looks good. Can i ask how are you going about financing these properties? 

  • Andy WebbPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Carrollton, TX · Member since 2013 · 750 posts · 538 votes
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    Originally posted by @George P.:

     not much, but we update them like it's a flip. that's our downfall and a sore subject. we hope it pays off with longer term tenants and better care of the properties.


    That is our approach as well - rehab like a flip.  Congrats on #19!  That is our goal (19 total to maximize the FNMA loans between my wife and me), rehabbing #9 now, hope to hit 19 by the end of 2017.

  • Warner Robins, GA · Member since 2014 · 56 posts · 17 votes
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    Originally posted by @Alfonso Velazquez:

    congrats looks good. Can i ask how are you going about financing these properties? 

     Congrats! 19 properties! That's great. 

    So with me only having 2 and really wanting to be at that 19+ mark I am also curious how you financed these homes. Cash? Mortgaged? Eventually banks will stop lending me money so I'm looking for a good strategy on long term financing options where I don't have to stop and pay down all of my loans just to move into asset based lending. Maybe that's the only way. I am very naive in the subject. 

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
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    Devils advocate here. Why buy just to log numbers? Given the fact you don't even have the cash to finish the project. Some free advice don't get ahead of yourself. Its this exact scenario that destroyed the levered REI investor a few short years ago. How we forget the lessons of that time.

    Its quality and not quantity. If its not making you cash then pass or slow the heck down. This is not a race. Just my 2 cents....actually gave you 3 cents worth.

    Good Luck !!

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Justin B.:
    Originally posted by @Alfonso Velazquez:

    congrats looks good. Can i ask how are you going about financing these properties? 

     Congrats! 19 properties! That's great. 

    So with me only having 2 and really wanting to be at that 19+ mark I am also curious how you financed these homes. Cash? Mortgaged? Eventually banks will stop lending me money so I'm looking for a good strategy on long term financing options where I don't have to stop and pay down all of my loans just to move into asset based lending. Maybe that's the only way. I am very naive in the subject. 

     the first 14 we got with conventional loans at 30 yr  to keep the payments low. then we found banks that could do 10 for wife and 10 for me. but at 15 or so we found a bank that could combine all loans into 1 (at 4.95% and 20 yrs) and still cash flow well. in addition, they would give us a line of credit (4.5%, interest only), so we are essentially buying cash.

    it's been easier with them on board.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay C.:

    Devils advocate here. Why buy just to log numbers? Given the fact you don't even have the cash to finish the project. Some free advice don't get ahead of yourself. Its this exact scenario that destroyed the levered REI investor a few short years ago. How we forget the lessons of that time.

    Its quality and not quantity. If its not making you cash then pass or slow the heck down. This is not a race. Just my 2 cents....actually gave you 3 cents worth.

    Good Luck !!

     thank you and i like all feedback.

    to me its a race since the prices are going up and i want as many as i can get RIGHT now. as long as i can pay the taxes and a small mortgage (~5k per year), it really does not matter when i update it. 

    also, a deal now will not be there in 2 months when i do have the cash and i still get mad thinking of deals that i lost in my own neighborhood while walking with the kids.

  • Investor · Gainesville, VA · Member since 2014 · 118 posts · 76 votes
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    Way to go!  Good luck completing your flips and then finding #20!

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
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    @george 

    @George P.

    You wrote.."

    to me its a race since the prices are going up and i want as many as i can get RIGHT now."

    Oh George ...I dont know where to begin. To begin the same was said in 2007 and 2008. Then the banks and markets rolled over and took everything with it. Energy prices went in the toilet and on and on. REI investors who were leveraged were crushed. You just posted what appears to be you are levered to the gills on these properties with loans on near everything ? Now today........we have a stock market at historic all time highs..most are calling for a correction. Real Estate has booming prices once again............like remember when.....yes 2007.Energy prices have already collapsed. Interest rates are about to be raised. George we have all the makings for this to collapse once again and it will take with it the levered investor who speculated on flips and even buy and hold. When you have too much leverage sometime the smallest thing can domino the whole portfolio.

    Be very careful. Sites like BP are great but they dose out just as much bad advice as good. Never in investing of any kind was it a good thing to go wild after more more more. It a path to being busted. 

    Again...best of luck to you.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay C.:

    @george 

    @George P.

    You wrote.."

    to me its a race since the prices are going up and i want as many as i can get RIGHT now."

    Oh George ...I dont know where to begin. To begin the same was said in 2007 and 2008. Then the banks and markets rolled over and took everything with it. Energy prices went in the toilet and on and on. REI investors who were leveraged were crushed. You just posted what appears to be you are levered to the gills on these properties with loans on near everything ? Now today........we have a stock market at historic all time highs..most are calling for a correction. Real Estate has booming prices once again............like remember when.....yes 2007.Energy prices have already collapsed. Interest rates are about to be raised. George we have all the makings for this to collapse once again and it will take with it the levered investor who speculated on flips and even buy and hold. When you have too much leverage sometime the smallest thing can domino the whole portfolio.

    Be very careful. Sites like BP are great but they dose out just as much bad advice as good. Never in investing of any kind was it a good thing to go wild after more more more. It a path to being busted. 

    Again...best of luck to you.

     jay,

    even with the 20 yr mortgage on some of these, i am still cash flowing $300-$550 per month, per property.

    i do think about leverage and the affects it has on our bottom line. i wish i knew someone i could talk to in details to see if what we are doing makes sense. i agree with you that people on BP talk mostly about their accomplishments and not as much about the "misfortunes/missteps".

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2013 · 788 posts · 285 votes
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    Nice work George. Exciting to add to the portfolio. Are you still self managing? At what point do you turn it over to a PM?

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Bryan H.:

    Nice work George. Exciting to add to the portfolio. Are you still self managing? At what point do you turn it over to a PM?

     i still am. the second point why we update so heavily up front is because i dont want call backs. i hate that stuff, so it's not as hard to do it at the moment ourselves.

    the other day i pulled a "retirement number" out of the air and it's 35. who knows what will happen in the years to come.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 517 posts · 106 votes
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    @George P.

     Congrats on purchasing #19 and being so close to your goal of 20. It sounds like you are comfortable with how much you are leveraged. You have found some banks who were willing to finance and offer a line of credit at a great rate. I am wondering what your exit strategy will be once you reach your goal of 20 or 35? At some point will you sell a few to make a lump sum to payoff some of the debt or will you hold and simply let tenants pay it all off over 20 or 30 years?

    You are where some of us only dream of being. Nice work!

  • Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2015 · 6 posts · 3 votes
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    Awesome job hitting your goal. Your an example to the rest of us.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Rhondalette W.:

    @George P.

     Congrats on purchasing #19 and being so close to your goal of 20. It sounds like you are comfortable with how much you are leveraged. You have found some banks who were willing to finance and offer a line of credit at a great rate. I am wondering what your exit strategy will be once you reach your goal of 20 or 35? At some point will you sell a few to make a lump sum to payoff some of the debt or will you hold and simply let tenants pay it all off over 20 or 30 years?

    You are where some of us only dream of being. Nice work!

     we will hold onto them for a long time. our kids will be hopefully using the income when they grow up. if they work on it, of course. 

    thank you.

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    Real Estate Consultant · Clarkston, MI · Member since 2009 · 864 posts · 350 votes
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    Congratulations!! Every home has a memory for me, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Its those memories that make us more profitable in the long run. And can make some interesting conversation!!!

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