Our First Deal

Our First Deal

Rental Property Investor · Gambrills, MD · Member since 2014 · 372 posts · 88 votes

My wife and I have two rental properties that we've converted from our personal use. One is our old townhome that we used to live in and the other is a single-family home that we bought for my parents to live in. They moved out of the area and it's been a great rental ever since (knock on wood). Last year, we partnered up with a coworker of mine and his wife and formed an LLC with the goal of acquiring buy and hold properties. This was the first purchase we made, and as of now, we consider this a success.

Purchase Price: $69,000

Closing Costs: $3,200

Rehab Budget: $55,000

Actual Rehab: $94,000

Carrying costs (utilities and grass cutting): $500

Total Investment: $163,500

ARV: $ 205,000

Cash-out: $ 147,000 (after finance closing costs)

Total Cash Invested: $ 16,500

Rent: $1595/mo

We found this VA foreclosure on the MLS in March 2014, with a list price of $89,000. By April 2014, it had dropped to $84,000. We made an offer at $65,000, which was rejected by the VA. We made another offer for $71,000, which was also rejected. Sometime over the summer, it was relisted at $72,000. We made an offer of $69,000, which was accepted, and we closed on July 25. The house was listed as a 3-bedroom 2-bath, but had 5 potential bedrooms (none of them had closets).

We spent the next two months bidding the job out with various contractors. The original rehab plan came back with bids ranging from $110-150k. We scaled back our design plans, and went with a bid for a $55,000 rehab. The plan was to rehab the house to a 5-bedroom, 2-bath home with a main floor master suite (the existing layout did not have a master suite).

What was supposed to be a 3-month rehab stretched into a 6 1/2-month rehab. During the rehab, we encountered… a break-in that removed old radiators (fortunately, we were planning to remove them anyhow); a complete failure of the relatively new boiler; a complete failure of the A/C system; rotten floor joists in an existing addition; missing ceiling joists in an existing addition (only 4 joists over a 20’ span); a rotten subroof covered up by 5-10 year old shingles; and more. In the end, we put in an entirely new central A/C and forced air heating system, all new pipes, new sump pump, and a lot of new electrical.

In any event, despite being way over budget, I think the rehab came out pretty nicely…

The exterior:

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This laundry room space later became the breakfast nook and part of the kitchen.

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This bedroom became the master bedroom:

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This odd utility space is what became the master bathroom:

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This was the hall bathroom:

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(Dual Vanities)

Second Bedroom:

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Study and Foyer:

(Mid-Demo)

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Living Room and Foyer:

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This is one of the three upstairs bedrooms.  It is by far the largest.

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  • Investor · Glastonbury, CT · Member since 2013 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    11y

    @Stephen Chittenden, great success story. Congrats. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Gambrills, MD · Member since 2014 · 372 posts · 88 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @John Hamilton:

    My thinking is a good contractor, or an inspector, should be able to spot needed structural repairs, to make up his bid. Get 3 bids on major repairs. Also, spot any big ticket items (HVAC, appliances, cabinets, bathroom stuff, etc) that may need replacing or repairing. 

    Yes, you own/share 5 properties between all the LLCs' managing members. The bank or anyone else looks at the business, not the individual. That's the point of an LLC.

    I thought you did an awesome job based on the results. 6 1/2 months may be valid based on the extent of the damage (which sounded substantial) and surprise repairs you encountered. The costs, too. As long as you are making money now, all is ok. Now, decide how you want to use any equity or asset to move onto the next venture. With 5 properties, you might have hidden or unknown equity.

     I think that's generally true. We were hampered by the lack of electricity and water. The HVAC system was fewer than 10 years old. We went in knowing it was a possibility that we might need to replace it, but hoped it would work as it appeared to be in good shape. There was a fair amount of hidden water damage--behind plaster walls, under tubs, etc. The sunroof was also water damaged underneath shingles that were in fairly good shape. It didn't have to be replaced right now. We could have waited a few years, maybe 5, maybe 7, it's hard to say, but it would have had to be done eventually, and it made sense to us to do it when the place was empty and we had people on site. Those two costs were about half the total overage. Some of the rest were upgraded finishings--stainless appliances, tiled shower surround, granite, etc. 

    The credit union absolutely did care about the properties owned individually. They ran the loan like a personal loan, and in the end, the loan was made to two of the four members with the LLC guaranting the loan and executing the security interest.

    We're currently finalizing renovations on a triplex. One unit is occupied and the other two will be occupied 9/1. We purchased it in April using seller financing. Two of the properties are our primary residences. Ours doesn't have any equity available. Our partners does, but we don't need to access it. The other properties are investment units with varying amounts of equity, but none have enough to allow for an equity loan. We'll use the proceeds from this mortgage to invest in another property when we find one that meets our criteria. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Gambrills, MD · Member since 2014 · 372 posts · 88 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Paul Haughton:

    @Stephen Chittenden, great success story. Congrats. 

     Thanks!

  • Real Estate Agent · Baldwin, NY · Member since 2015 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Awesome! Congratulations to you and your partners despite the hurdles you had to overcome.

  • Ben AndrewsPro Member
    New to Real Estate · Escondido, CA (San Diego) · Member since 2015 · 112 posts · 20 votes
    11y

    Well done @Stephen Chittenden! That's a pretty wild ride for your first official deal. Way to see it through.

    Best of luck on your future investments!

    -Ben

  • Rental Property Investor · Gambrills, MD · Member since 2014 · 372 posts · 88 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Ben Andrews:

    Well done @Stephen Chittenden! That's a pretty wild ride for your first official deal. Way to see it through.

    Best of luck on your future investments!

    -Ben

     Thanks! It felt good to get one under our belt so to speak. To have it be one that tested us and showed us where things can go off-the-rails. The second one has not been as eventful. 

  • Real Estate Professional · West Bend, WI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 0 votes
    11y

    Really, you have done an awesome job. Congratulations! I found that your strategy is unique from others. There are lots of things to learn from you.

  • Rental Property Investor · Gambrills, MD · Member since 2014 · 372 posts · 88 votes
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    Originally posted by @Karl C.:

    Really, you have done an awesome job. Congratulations! I found that your strategy is unique from others. There are lots of things to learn from you.

     Karl, I'm curious what about our strategy you think is unique? 

  • Real Estate Transaction Engineer · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2014 · 271 posts · 74 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Stephen Chittenden:

     I think that's generally true. We were hampered by the lack of electricity and water.

    Yes, without power and water it's hard to test items and realize all damage. It's best to do all the work you can afford, even if it's 5 years out. That damage left unattended may cost you more then.

    The credit union absolutely did care about the properties owned individually. They ran the loan like a personal loan

    Interesting. I thought since all properties where owned by the LLC, it would be managed and handled differently.

    We're currently finalizing renovations on a triplex. One unit is occupied and the other two will be occupied 9/1. We purchased it in April using seller financing.

     Very cool deal. Either way, I think the project gave a good result and with projections of good cash flow. 

  • Specialist · Sicklerville, NJ · Member since 2015 · 13 posts · 3 votes
    11y

      I like your strategy, as I understand in this business nothing really goes exactly to plan. House looks great though!

  • Bulawayo, Zimbabwe · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 253 votes
    10y

    looks great.congrats on that first deal

  • Cap WhitePro Member
    Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    Congrats!!

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