My First Foray in Out-of-State Investing

My First Foray in Out-of-State Investing

Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes

About 7 months ago I posted my intention to invest out of state on BiggerPockets, and today I'm pleased to announce that I have purchased two properties in Florida in September 2017 and November 2017. I found both properties on the MLS, and they will be managed by a property manager.

Overall Goal:

As a buy and hold residential real estate investor, my goal is to acquire 5 rental properties within 10 years (2014-2024). Then I will turn my attention to buying performing mortgage notes. I already own a rental (a condo) in Washington state, so these two Florida rentals bring me more than halfway to meeting my goal of buying 5 rentals. The reason that I gave myself 10 years to achieve my goal is because I have a day job that limits the number of hours that I can dedicate to real estate; because I have a low -to-moderate tolerance for debt and planned to save for most of my down payments; and because I’m naturally cautious and wanted to give myself the time to weather any setbacks that should arise.

How I Did It:

Among other things, I ___.

  • posted my intention on BP.
  • listened to BP podcasts and followed the local forums.
  • asked for colleague requests and I followed up on the advice of these colleagues.
  • used savings and HELOCs for down payments, closing costs and repairs.
  • interviewed Florida realtors, property managers and contractors by phone.
  • visited the two rental markets, attended REIA meetings and met with property managers and contractors.

Lessons Learned:

  • When buying an older house in Florida, get wind mitigation and 4-point inspections. They are required by many local insurers.
  • Don’t be afraid to invest where it makes sense. A $40,000-$50,000 down payment can buy you two houses in some parts of Florida. The opportunity to cash flow was also a big incentive for me. That kind of money might get you one house in Seattle. Emphasis on might! My money goes a lot further in Jacksonville.
  • Don’t be too afraid to take on a little debt when building your portfolio. I had huge reservations about using HELOCs for down payments, and I still do. However, I would not have been able to purchase two properties in the same year without those HELOCs.

Thank you BP and special thanks to Marco Santarelli and @Maxwell Lee whose contributions pointed me in the right direction. I am now confident that I can buy the two remaining properties before the 10-year mark!

Property 1: Fort Lauderdale, FL - closing September 2017

2/2 condo, 1,002 square feet, short sale, no mortgage, paid all expenses with HELOC

Purchase price: $48,000

Repairs and closing costs: $15,000

Total monthly expenses including HOA: $700

Monthly rent: $875

Before Picture

After Picture

Property 2: Jacksonville, FL - closing November 2017

3/1.5 house, 910 square feet, REO

Purchase price: $75,000

Downpayment and closing costs: $21,000

Estimated repairs: $5,000

Mortgage: $60,000 over 30 years @ 5.25 fixed interest

Total monthly expenses: $732

Estimated monthly rent: $850

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Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 2 votes
7y

How do you make money?  It seems like after all the expenses you are pulling in a couple hundred bucks!?  Is it even worth it?  How do you account for annual condo special assessment that could be up to $5,000 that these condo make you pay.  If you don't they will take your condo away from you..  How do you account for the taxes? U didn't put any of these in your expense? Why is that.   

I just like to keep it real.. EveryOne is praising this post but not asking the tough questions.   I just don't think going through all this to only make a couple hundred bucks/month is the ok.  

I just don't like it when people post their positives and not the negative to make it look like real estate is a pretty game.  Its mostly negative and more people are losing money than gaining. 

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  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    8y

    @Suzie Remilien - Congratulations and thanks for sharing the success on BP!  Many people can learn from your dedication.  Good luck to you!

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2017 · 231 posts · 191 votes
    8y

    Fantastic @Suzie Remilien congratulations!

  • Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes
    8y

    Great! Congratulations and glad to see things going well so far!

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    8y
  • Realtor/Investor · Ft. Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2014 · 74 posts · 21 votes
    8y

    This is awesome! Most people are afraid to invest in condos due to the HOA, but I can tell the purchase price helped to ensure that wasn't a hinderance!

  • Bothell, WA · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    8y
    Hi Suzie R. How are you managing your properties? Does your monthly expenses include property management? I started out this year buying a SFH in Austin, TX suburb but my ROI after expenses is not good. Basically I didn’t do proper math. I am now exploring other areas like Indy, Memphis and FL. How did you end up buying in Florida? As a newbie, I would like to know your thoughts.
  • Rental Property Investor · Hummelstown, PA · Member since 2015 · 638 posts · 653 votes
    8y
    Suzie R. Congrats and thanks for sharing!
  • Bee Caves, TX · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    @Suzie Remilien Congrats!

    I have yet to purchase my first buy and hold property and have been toying with the idea if investing out of state. Like yourself, I am risk-averse and I am terrified of investing so far from home. Hearing successes like yours, however, always motivates me to rigorously work toward my goal of purchasing my first buy and hold property by 12/31/2019.

    Thank you for sharing your story!

    Best of luck. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    8y

    @Lydia Ford The purchase price and talking to investors who had also bought in the same condo building helped.

    @Manish Sharma Both properties are being managed by property managers and the monthly expenses include management, vacancy, repairs as well as PITI. I chose Florida because I used to live there, I still have family that lives there and researched and visited both cities in Florida before I invested. I got recommendations for lenders, realtors, property managers from other real estate colleagues - some via BP - interviewed them, asked for advice and tried to follow the advice when it was sound. I also had friends and realtors who walked several properties for me and sent me pictures.

    @Aysia Lopez  I'm so glad my story motivates you. I can't wait to hear your success story after you buy in or around 2019!

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    8y

    @Kyle McCorkel Thank you!

  • Investor · Linden, NJ · Member since 2016 · 190 posts · 116 votes
    8y

    @Suzie Remilien very inspiring.  I have been wanting for years to venture out of my high priced area.  This is an added push. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 17 votes
    8y

    thanks for taking the time to share your success, its detailed posts like these that keep me motived to go out and do more! 

    also congratulations on your purchases and best to you and your investments! 

  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2015 · 190 posts · 79 votes
    8y

    Congrats! Keep it up.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    8y
  • Investor · Port Orchard, WA · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 6 votes
    8y

    Thanks for sharing your inspiring story!

    The tips are gold!

    Very motivating to see a fellow NW get out of state.  Getting 1% around these parts is a struggle in this market.  I too am considering out of state, curious what questions you used to interview your management / contractors / lenders to get a confident feeling with them.  Sounds like BP was a great resource for vetting specific location and possibly referrals for lending / management and contractors?

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    7y

    @Jeff Wells Sorry for the very tardy reply. I figure it's better late than never. :)

    Sample questions from BP: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/256674-questions-to-ask-potential-property-managers; https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/select-property-manager; https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/537782-best-questions-to-property-managers

    Sample script: [Name] I’m looking for a property manager to manage some properties that I’ll be buying in the Jacksonville area within the next year. I’m interviewing several companies this week. I got your name from the National Association of Residential Property Managers (NARPM). Do you have a few minutes to answer some questions about your business?

  • Bismarck, ND · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 201 votes
    7y

    @Suzie Remilien Nice job holding yourself accountable on your goals!  That is what it takes to build a long term portfolio.  Are you looking at investing in other states than FL?   I've done well in OH & MO so far.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 149 posts · 58 votes
    7y

    @Riley SchaeferThanks. I've sent you a PM.

  • Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    How do you make money?  It seems like after all the expenses you are pulling in a couple hundred bucks!?  Is it even worth it?  How do you account for annual condo special assessment that could be up to $5,000 that these condo make you pay.  If you don't they will take your condo away from you..  How do you account for the taxes? U didn't put any of these in your expense? Why is that.   

    I just like to keep it real.. EveryOne is praising this post but not asking the tough questions.   I just don't think going through all this to only make a couple hundred bucks/month is the ok.  

    I just don't like it when people post their positives and not the negative to make it look like real estate is a pretty game.  Its mostly negative and more people are losing money than gaining. 

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