My first deal! BRRRR 28% COC ROI Cashflow $228

My first deal! BRRRR 28% COC ROI Cashflow $228

Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Indianapolis.

Purchase price: $27,000
Cash invested: $11,910

Purchased using cash from Simple Wholesaling in Indianapolis
PMI Midwest property manager who referred me to a great rehab crew
Funded it with a combination of 401k cash-out, Infinite Banking life insurance loan, and Fund&Grow business credit.
Cash-out refi with Huntington Bank

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Honestly you have to start somewhere. Clayton Morris always talked about 3 bed / 1 bath 1000 sq ft so that is what I started looking for. I needed the cash price to be reasonable because I knew I didn't have a lot of cash. I had no idea how I was going to fund the rehab. Based on conversations from other investors - the area seemed to be a good appreciating area.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I got hooked up with AS MANY wholesalers as I could find in Indianapolis. They were super awesome to work with. Their website was like going shopping on Amazon. I picked one out which fit my criteria (location, price, property configuration) and pitched a price to the contact. He gave me his lowest and we called it a deal.

How did you finance this deal?

Not easily or the best... To get started I cashed out my 401k from a previous employer. This gave me enough cash to make the initial purchase. I then went to work to try and figure out how to finance the rehab.

I did a 1035 exchange on an existing whole life insurance policy over to an "Infinite Banking Concept" practioner and then took a loan from it.

I also got setup with Fund&Grow to utilize business credit cards with 0% interest for up to 18 months.

How did you add value to the deal?

Yes - Purchase for $27K and rehabbed it for $40K

What was the outcome?

The rehab turned out great! Beautiful little property ready for rent.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Have your funding for rehab lined up before you purchase. Even in a "BRRRR" you don't want to sit on that property without rehab.
David Green does a great job explaining how to work with contractors. I didn't do any of that. So the rehab was more expensive than what I planned on and it went longer than I expected. Listen to David Green...

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Huntington Bank did my cash-out refi. 75% LTV @ 5% interest is a STEAL. I would encourage you to look into them.

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Real Estate Agent · Astoria, NY · Member since 2016 · 60 posts · 55 votes
7y

@Paul Beets Indianapolis hasn't been top of my list, but I'm interested. Pittsburgh is definitely on my list. I'm an agent in Manhattan, but nothing around here suits my criteria -- or my price of entry. I've been looking primarily in Columbus, OH so far.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Astoria, NY · Member since 2016 · 60 posts · 55 votes
    7y

    I've had very little luck connecting with good wholesalers. What did you do to find good connections? 

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Daniel Akerman:   That is a very good question.    I did a lot of google searches for "Buy my house Indianapolis" or "Indianapolis Wholesaling".     I also frequent nearly all of the Facebook Indiana real estate groups.    I'm not exactly sure where I found this particular wholesaler "Simple Wholesaling" but they are definitely far better than the regular people just getting started.    The owner has his own podcast which may be where I found them as well.

    Anyone who speaks up in the Facebook groups saying they are looking for cash buyers I ask them to put my e-mail address on their list.    I now get a constant stream of deals coming into my e-mail account on a daily basis.   They aren't all greatly "presented" so to speak.   But they are deals nonetheless.

    Are you looking for wholesalers in Indianapolis or which market?    So far I'm getting pretty steady stream of deals in Indianapolis and Pittsburgh.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 483 posts · 956 votes
    7y

    Congratulations! You found a great deal.

  • Real Estate Agent · Astoria, NY · Member since 2016 · 60 posts · 55 votes
    7y

    @Paul Beets Indianapolis hasn't been top of my list, but I'm interested. Pittsburgh is definitely on my list. I'm an agent in Manhattan, but nothing around here suits my criteria -- or my price of entry. I've been looking primarily in Columbus, OH so far.

  • Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    Congratulations! I'm looking for my first deal in Indy as well. Reading your deal fueled my motivation! Thanks for sharing. 

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Richard Jung:   That is great to hear!     Best of luck.   Let me know if I can help!

  • Sellersburg, IN · Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Hey @Paul Beets, congrats on your BRRRR. That's awesome.

    A couple of questions I have. 

    1) Did you use an agent? 

    2) How did you estimate how much your rehab was going to cost?

    3) How long did the rehab last? What were the things you fixed?

    4) How long between purchase and your first tenant?

    5) What did it appraise at when it was time to refi?

    Thanks and congrats again!

  • Rental Property Investor · Allentown PA, United States · Member since 2016 · 567 posts · 442 votes
    7y

    Great job, you said you have roughly 11k of cash invested, but a 40k rehab? So was your all in 67k with purchase and rehab with 11k down on the loan/creative financing?

    Curious as to what the ARV is and what you expect to rent it for as well.

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Zach M.   Sorry it has taken so long to respond!    Here are the answers to your questions:

    1) Did you use an agent?

    I did not!   I bought it directly from a wholesaler.

    2) How did you estimate how much your rehab was going to cost?

    I didn't. I calculated the CAP rate when I was first doing my "due diligence" and it was so high I just pulled the trigger. I later had a contractor come in and provide me a quote. From this perspective I kinda got lucky. You know what they say ... it is better to be lucky than good.

    3) How long did the rehab last? What were the things you fixed?

    I'd say the Rehab went 4+ months.   Longer than I expected.   We pretty much gutted the kitchen with new cabinets, flooring, ceiling, and appliances.    We pulled up all the carpet in the rest of the home and replaced it.   We gutted the 1 bathroom with new tub, vanity sink, toilet, cabinet, and flooring.    We finished the 100 year old wood floor in the main room made it look fabulous.   New gutters and painting on the outside.   Ended up with a rubber roof over the kitchen outside.     Lots of landscaping because it was pretty overgrown.

    4) How long between purchase and your first tenant?

    About 10 months :-/

    5) What did it appraise at when it was time to refi?

    $75,000

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Bill Goodland    Hey there sorry it took me so long to respond!

    Yes - so I'll only have $11,900 left in the deal after I finish the cash-out refinance (last "R" in the BRRRR).

    I purchased for $27K. I put just under $40K rehab in and it appraises for $75K. 75% LTV of $75K is $56,250 cash back in my pocket for another investment.

    Will rent for just under $900.

  • Waterford MI, MI · Member since 2014 · 20 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    Great job Paul time to get another one.

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    Turn key provider · San Jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Paul Beets:

    @Zach M.   Sorry it has taken so long to respond!    Here are the answers to your questions:

    I didn't. I calculated the CAP rate when I was first doing my "due diligence" and it was so high I just pulled the trigger. I later had a contractor come in and provide me a quote. From this perspective I kinda got lucky. You know what they say ... it is better to be lucky than good.

    Sometimes you can get lucky once, but you can always be good.

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 86 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Mike D'Arrigo:    Totally agree.   I'm working hard to get better and have invested heavily in education and networking here on BP.   This is the reason I have shared my deal.    I've learned a lot from it and am thankful that I was lucky.     I'd like to get this down to a quantitative process that will assure repeatable success.

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