Are Zestimates as Inaccurate as We're Being Told They Are?

Are Zestimates as Inaccurate as We're Being Told They Are?

Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes

One of the first things I learned when I started studying REI, was that the estimates on realty sites like Zillow, etc. were wildly inaccurate. But are they, really? And even so, does it really matter?

Let's go over some of the basic principles.  

How are zestimates formed?  They take an average of previously sold properties in the area with roughly the same specs.  It doesn't take condition etc. into account.  Yes, I know.  It also doesn't exclude outliers.  The example of ouliers that I've heard a lot, is that if someone dumps a property super low for some extraneous circumstance, it will affect the estimated price on nearby properties.  But what would that actually do to the estimated price of a nearby property?  It would drag the amalgamated zestimate DOWN, so that a property would seem like LESS OF A DEAL than it actually was, right?  Therefore, wouldn't that mean that at first glance there should be hidden gems of deals that we're collectively writing off?

But does this happen in the other direction?  What would make a deal appear better than it actually was?  There would have to be an outlier in the opposite direction- someone would need to sell a property for WAY more than it's value, in order to drag an estimate up enough to create a false positive for a deal.  I find that scenario far less likely to occur.  Likewise, consider the following three scenarios:

  1. The asking price of a property is less than the estimated price.  This is a "good deal."
  2. The asking price  of a property is equal to the estimated price.  This isn't a "good deal."
  3. The asking price of a property is higher than the estimated price.  This isn't a "good deal."

Only one of these three scenarios is ideal for our intents and purposes.  

Let's look at a theoretical property with an asking price of $110K.  The actual value of this house is $100k as well.  We don't know that yet for certain, but it makes the math easier.  We have 10 comps of equal actual value that have been sold in the last 6 months that is creating our estimate.  9 of those comps went for $100K, right on the money with the value, and we have one outlier that sold for $110K, a 10% increase in value.  Someone got very lucky on that deal.  That translates to an average of $100,100- a 1% change in the estimate.  

You'd have to have a lot of outliers (either positive or negative), or they'd have to be incredibly significant price increases to affect an average estimated value for a property.  Again, I find this far more likely to occur negatively where someone sells off a property really cheap, than one selling it really expensively.  

So, what would make this $110k property look like a good deal?  In actuality, it's a bad deal, right?  We'd have to have the numbers so skewed, I think it's virtually impossible.  You'd have to skew the numbers from the negative point, past the break even point, to a significantly positive estimated valuation that it would make it seem like a good deal when it wasn't.  

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I find it hard to believe that an estimate could create such a skew that would create a false positive.  I could understand it skewing to make a deal look less attractive, but to make a bad deal look like a good deal?  I find that a little difficult to wrap my head around.  

I would like to point out that my conjecture is by no means in lieu of drilling down into the data and actually comparing comps by hand.  I still feel that doing one's due diligence is important.  However, I feel that the negative view that these estimates have on realty sites is a bit unwarranted.

Thoughts?  What am I missing?

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Ashley KehrPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 208 posts · 185 votes
7y

I have a house that I purchased in 2018. In the past three months the zestimate went up by $20,000 and down another $10,000. I find that very inaccurate. Personally, I don't rely on Zestimates. They also greatly vary from appraisals I have received on properties.

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  • Ashley KehrPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 208 posts · 185 votes
    7y

    I have a house that I purchased in 2018. In the past three months the zestimate went up by $20,000 and down another $10,000. I find that very inaccurate. Personally, I don't rely on Zestimates. They also greatly vary from appraisals I have received on properties.

  • Real Estate Agent · Merritt Island, FL · Member since 2017 · 986 posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith - there has been research done which shows the amount of variation in Zestimate vs value. In some cities the variance is smaller (maybe 10%) and in others it is significant (over 20%). My own experience shows that in some cases Zillow is spot on, in other cases they may have used a monkey throwing darts at numbers and selecting one.

    Your example makes sense in planned communities where many homes are alike. In your area, consider Viera to be an example of that. In other areas, there's so much variation that it's extremely difficult to find a number. Case in point, I used to live in Hollywood, FL....taking a snapshot, homes on my street ranged from $400-500k. A few blocks east there were homes around $700-800k, with a few $350k sprinkled in. One block south they were $1.6m-3.5m. A few blocks northwest they were in the $250-300k range. See the challenge Zillow has? 

  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    I'm not trying to negate the variance in properties, nor am I trying to say that "zillow should be doing a better job."  My point, though, is that while it's not entirely accurate, it's not as entirely useless as some would have us think.  I'm new to this game, so maybe I'm going about things wrong, but thus far, my process is that the first step I take, is I troll zillow, realtor, etc. to look at available properties.  So I find a property, and now I have to figure out if it's a good deal or not.  And how do we do that?  We need comps, right?  I'm not going to bother a realtor for comps for the all of the 100 listings I'm going to look at today (I'm casting a pretty big net on areas for properties).  So I need a first line test to say "is this worth looking up?"  My thoughts, are that the zillow estimates are, contrary to popular belief, a "decent enough" first test to see if I should bother doing the more in depth search or not.  That said, in the past week, I've looked up hundreds of properties and 99% of them are asking over the zestimate.  I'm not sure if that's because the zestimates are actually useless, or the market's just high since we're at the top of a bubble, or if "good deals" are honestly just that rare.  I don't know.  That's the problem.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2018 · 335 posts · 251 votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith I'd agree with you. It's not "entirely useless" and its a great starting point. Its obviously not gonna be always spot on, but by looking at recently sold near your house and getting a feel for how much variation is in the surrounding area, it should give you a good general feeling of the worth of your house. +/10%, or maybe +/20%, just depending on your market. 

    The thing is,  even paid for appraisals, which pull comps of surrounding recently sold houses is not an exact science.  One appraiser can return a very different value from another, and that just goes to show you that there is no way to get an exact value of what a property is really worth. 

  • Member since 2018 · 259 posts · 159 votes
    7y

    They are the joke of the industry. Zillow is an advertising company, not a real estate broker or an appraiser.

    I've seen properties with a "zestamate" in multi million dollar neighborhoods listed in the 200K range. The may be close in cookie cutter neighborhoods, but anything else its a bigger joke.

    Read their disclaimer closely and you'll see.

  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    @Daniel Kong Thank you.  I'm not crazy.  I got a bug up my *** about this, because a few days ago, I had a conversation with a "guru" type person- well, the "guru's" assistant, really, who all but told me that they're entirely useless, don't even bother looking at them, that's not how this is done, etc...  and then he tried to sell me a $1000 training package type thing, which immediately put me off my tea, so to speak.  

    I'm a pretty health skeptic.  Anyone who tells me "no, don't do that.  Give me money and I'll tell you the real secret..." yeah they're full of it and don't actually have my best interest at heart.  However, all that does, is tell me that person's trying to scam me.  It doesn't tell me if I'm right or wrong.  To make a metaphor by quoting lyrics of the band Nirvana, "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you."  

    So I appreciate the validation there.  

    Regardless of where I'm coming from here, I still think my math is sound.  The guru's assistant tried to tell me that if someone dumps a house really cheap, it affects the estimated price of nearby houses and can make a bad deal look good.  He was talking really fast, like many salesmen do, so I took what he said at face value.  But after I thought about it, that just didn't make sense to me.  I'm not sure I understood how that math held any water.  So I started playing with some numbers and my original post was the conclusion I came to.

  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    @Kelly DeWinter Well I'm not looking to buy properties in multimillion dollar neighborhoods just yet.  I'm looking to do my first deal.  Cookie cutter neighborhoods are perfectly reasonable for me.  I need to keep it simple.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2018 · 335 posts · 251 votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith I've had people give me the same advice and had the same experience!

    Zillow is honestly a great starting point. Like you said, we can't ask for a CMA on a 100 different properties a day. This is just the first step in your funnel to narrow down your results.

    Just like some wholesalers will feed you complete BS, it doesn't mean dont look at ANY wholesale numbers. Just use it as a starting point, be aware it could be wildly inaccurate, and then try to either verify, or negate the numbers Zillow is presenting. 

    We are on the same page lol. 

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y

    Zillow is very useful.  The Zestimate isn't.  If the only reason you are using, or want to use, Zillow is for the zestimate...you're just being lazy.  I use Zillow all the time...but I never even look at the Zestimates.

  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    @Joe Villeneuve Please don't be insulting.  That's just unnecessary, and unprofessional.  Did you actually read the thread?  You may have been doing this for decades, but I haven't.  I use the tools I have on hand.  When I learn enough to need and find better tools, I'll use those.  But I'm not there yet.  I look on Zillow and similar sites to find listings, because that's where I know where listings are.  If you'd like to provide me a better resource, I'll be happy to use it, but for now, I've only got so many tools in my tool belt.  

    To reiterate, I'll go over my process again for your benefit.  I look at listings in my target region and filter for all the metrics I care about- rooms, max price etc.  I then look at those listings, and need some rough basis of comparison to say "is this POSSIBLY a good deal?"  That's what the zestimate is supposed to be, is it not?  I'm not asking for bulleye accuracy.  I just want to know if I'm facing the dart board.  From there, I'll go look for more detailed resources.  I honestly couldn't tell you what my exact next steps are beyond that... because that's about as far as I've gotten to date.  Thus far, I've only made 1 phone call on a property that I thought had potential... and it turned out to be an unrepaired sinkhole property.  So that was a bust.  Yeah, I'm THAT new to this.  So how about a little bit of compassion for a newbie, instead of just calling me lazy.

  • Kenneth GarrettPro Member
    Investor · Florida Panhandle/Illinois · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith

    I use Zillow as a starting point.  Like others have said at times it is spot on while other times it’s way off.  When you are analyzing, you’re looking for like properties.  Number bedrooms, baths, square footage and style of home among other factors.  A split level for a split level, a two story for a two story.  It’s ok for a quick napkin calculation to determine if I want to dig deeper.  

    I take sold comps from Zillow, Redfin, Trulia, etc and find the best comps when I dig deeper.  I find the information to be accurate enough, but it takes analysis.  It’s the same as an agent giving you comps you need to analyze to make sure comps are in the same area, same style of home and many other factors.  

    Good Luck.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Michael Goldsmith:

    @Joe Villeneuve Please don't be insulting.  That's just unnecessary, and unprofessional.  Did you actually read the thread?  You may have been doing this for decades, but I haven't.  I use the tools I have on hand.  When I learn enough to need and find better tools, I'll use those.  But I'm not there yet.  I look on Zillow and similar sites to find listings, because that's where I know where listings are.  If you'd like to provide me a better resource, I'll be happy to use it, but for now, I've only got so many tools in my tool belt.  

    To reiterate, I'll go over my process again for your benefit.  I look at listings in my target region and filter for all the metrics I care about- rooms, max price etc.  I then look at those listings, and need some rough basis of comparison to say "is this POSSIBLY a good deal?"  That's what the zestimate is supposed to be, is it not?  I'm not asking for bulleye accuracy.  I just want to know if I'm facing the dart board.  From there, I'll go look for more detailed resources.  I honestly couldn't tell you what my exact next steps are beyond that... because that's about as far as I've gotten to date.  Thus far, I've only made 1 phone call on a property that I thought had potential... and it turned out to be an unrepaired sinkhole property.  So that was a bust.  Yeah, I'm THAT new to this.  So how about a little bit of compassion for a newbie, instead of just calling me lazy.

     First, if you felt insulted, I appologize.

    Second, if you look closely, My comment was not directed to you since I never mentioned you in it...My comment was in general, as in "you" = "anyone".

    Third, which is a combination of "first" and "second", comments made on these posts are not always directed to a specific person.  If they are, then that specific person is mentioned with an "@their name".

    Forth, my comment is a valid one. If the only reason you (as in anyone in general) uses Zillow is for the Zestimate, they are being lazy. I say this because the user should be doing a more thorough job of analysis...and not looking for a shortcut. Analysis is one of the most important parts of REI. It should not be taken lightly.

  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    7y

    I have a background in real estate and data analytics so maybe I can shed a little light here.

    It's important to remember the context of what you are looking at. A Zestimate is an output from a machine learning algorithm. It is not a broker estimate. There are many pros and cons to this.

    Pros:

    --A computer can parse and aggregate millions of rows of data in seconds. Imagine if you asked your broker to do a CMA analyzing every single house in your zip code on 100 different data points. How long do you think it would take your broker to do that? Weeks? Months? That's what the Zestimate is doing for EVERY house in the country, every single day.

    --A computer can change complexity of a question without much sacrifice for time or efficiency. (Using the example above) now let's say after your broker had taken those data points on every single house there is that you only want a CMA done using 3/2s with a two-car garage. Your broker would likely need a few more weeks to manually check off which houses he had already looked at that met that criteria and then re-calculate the value. An algorithm can make this change in seconds.

    Cons:

    --An algorithm lacks the "finer touch" of a human being. The computer can parse more information, but it can only really look at what data is readily available to it (namely macro level trends). A computer can't parse out things like condition (house A has granite countertops while house B has formica), location (none of the neighbors on house A take care of their lawns, but all of the neighbors for house B take perfect care of their homes), or even "personal details" ("the seller is desperate to move and will probably sell for under asking if you close immediately"). That's the value of a human touch.

    --An algorithm will generally try to fit a distribution as a whole rather than predict each of its parts individually. Say there are 100 houses and you plotted them all on a graph. In regression, you would try to find the continuous line that goes through all 100 points while minimizing total error from the line to each point (hence why in regression it's called the "line of best fit"). The idea is to find a line that could scale to best predict future houses that would join that distribution. 

    If an algorithm tried to make a prediction by focusing on each data point individually, then it would come up with a model that is far less complex, more biased, and won't scale well to future data points. This is known as overfitting the line. For Zestimate, it'll predict houses it already knows about perfectly but won't be able to predict unknown houses very well.

    This picture is kind of what I'm talking about. The one on the left is more like the Zestimate and the one on the right is the biased, overfit model...

    So the Zestimate is not designed to be a spot-on estimate of your house. It's designed to predict with relative certainty based on the distribution of every house in your market.  In other words, the Zestimate is designed to predict every house "pretty good" as opposed to predicting one house "perfect". In that sense, the Zestimate is very good at predicting values (and from an innovation perspective, downright extraordinary). However, it's more of a jumping off point than anything. You should use it as a starting point in your decision making process, but you should not use it to base buying decisions off of without a closer look of your own.

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith As others have said, Zestimates are the bane of the real estate industry.  In big, prominent text, they show you the Zestimate.  The clear point is "this is what your home is worth".

    If you drill down deeper, you'll find their disclaimer.  It's not exactly hidden, but it's pretty close.

    Here's the graphic where they rate themselves on Zestimate accuracy:

    I just ran the numbers on MLS, so these are actual live numbers. Over the last 6 months, the median price in Boston was $625,000, so that means:

    55.9% of the time they are within $31,250 of the actual value.  44.1% of the time, the error is greater.

    79.3% of the time they are within $62,500 of the actual value.  20.7% of the time, the error is greater.

    91.4% of the time they are within $125,000 of the actual value.  8.6% of the time, the error is greater.

    By the way, Realtor.com is no better.  They show my own home as having lost $15,700 in value since we bought it two years ago.  That would make it the only home in Plymouth County to have lost value as the county as a whole is up 4% - 5% per year.  

    In fact, we just had a bank appraisal for a re-fi that put it $115,000 higher than our purchase price.

    The bottom line is that any of the automated home valuation tools are no better than a VERY rough guess.  They are all 100% insufficient to use for decision making.

  • Real Estate Lender and Broker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 966 posts · 500 votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith

    A stopped clock is right twice a day.  I have done over 10,000 Broker Price Opinions for banks over the years.  When Zillow came out, I would get calls from the 20s something employee of the bank saying, how is there such a discrepancy between your report value and Zillow.  Then I would have to read him my analysis in the report, re-explaining the neighborhood.  Zillow takes numbers and tries to make sense of them.  It does not make adjustments for natural neighborhood breaks.

    As someone new, the key is to learn the area you want to invest in.  If you use Zestimate, I believe it will be a short career.

  • Specialist · Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 891 votes
    7y
    Zillow has no clue the condition and upgrades on subject property. I wouldn’t rely on them at all. You can use Zillow for legit comps and go from there to do your own comparisons. I probably would only use it on newer cookie cutter homes but even that I would proceed with caution.
  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    @Charlie MacPherson I think you're missing the point I was trying to make, and you're giving me the exact same rhetoric that caused me to come up with my conjecture in the first place.  To be clear, I'm not trying to say that Zillow is DoB accurate by any stretch of the imagination.  But as someone who's new, and wants to get into investing, I need SOMEWHERE to start; some rough indication of "maybe this warrants a few more minutes of time to look into a little deeper" versus "nope.  Not a good deal at all."  THAT'S ALL.  And yes, because it's rough it may pull some good deals off the table, but statistically speaking those would most probably be the "not as good deals" for lack of a more descriptive phrase.  So yeah, it's very rough.  But my point was that it's somewhere to start.  Look, I'm just a guy who wants to get into investing, and I'm VERY new.  As of right now, that's the best tool I have to decide whether or not looking into a property is worth a second glance or not.  Frankly, I'm sick of people just saying "What you're doing is wrong.  Those numbers are crap.  You're lazy.  You're an idiot."  Yes, someone actually called me that because I dared to consider the zestimate to be a (rough) guide to determine whether or not I wanted to look into a property further.  Yet no one offers a better solution.  If you have a better one, I'm all ears.  I'll gladly take advice.  Where should I look if not a real estate listing site to find properties that I want to research?  Is there a secret society that I'm unaware of?  But just telling me that I'm wrong, and not telling me what the right first step is, is completely counterproductive, and it's very hard to take someone seriously if that's the angle the come at me without offering a better direction.

    @Mark Creason Am I wrong in trying to cast a relatively wide net in where I'm looking for properties?   I'm not going to sit around and wait for houses to pop up for sale only in my own neighborhood/ town.  Besides, I don't even like where I live THAT much.  Why not cast a wider net?  The zone I'm looking at has about a 2 hour driving diameter.  I'm in Florida.  It's big here.  You're from Texas.  You should understand that more than anyone.  Now, I'm not a lazy person by any stretch of the imagination, but am I really supposed to learn all the details of every neighborhood in every town within that area before I even look at a listing?  First of all, that's a logistical nightmare, and frankly, probably impossible as it would take so much time to learn all of that, that the demographics and market would shift under my feet and deem previous information I've gleaned to be obsolete.  That just can't be right.  I could see digging deeper and learning more about a specific neighborhood/ area if I found a property that I was definitely interested in, as part of my due diligence.  But doing that research before even reading a listing is putting the cart before the horse, and is a fool's errand.  Shall I go check the headlamp fluid in my car, while I'm at it?

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Michael Goldsmith  To be clear, I'm offering hard facts, not rhetoric.

    My point is simply to say that Zillow's numbers - by their own admission - are so inaccurate as to be useless for decision making.  Having "somewhere to start" is only as useful as the quality of the data you find there.

    Even using the most generous possible interpretation of Zillow's numbers, they say that they're within $31,250 on a property at the median price in Boston.  That kind of number is the difference between an OK fix & flip profit and losing money.  

    My suggestion for better data is to go to the one place where I'm confident that you'll get real numbers.  That's to work with a Realtor.  

    On any listed property, the total commission paid is negotiated in advance of going on the market, so using a buyer's broker won't cost a dime extra.  Don't forget, the seller's agent is bound by law to represent the seller's best interest.  A buyer's broker is bound by law to represent yours.

  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Michael Goldsmith As others have said, Zestimates are the bane of the real estate industry.  In big, prominent text, they show you the Zestimate.  The clear point is "this is what your home is worth".

    If you drill down deeper, you'll find their disclaimer.  It's not exactly hidden, but it's pretty close.

    Here's the graphic where they rate themselves on Zestimate accuracy:

    I just ran the numbers on MLS, so these are actual live numbers. Over the last 6 months, the median price in Boston was $625,000, so that means:

    55.9% of the time they are within $31,250 of the actual value.  44.1% of the time, the error is greater.

    79.3% of the time they are within $62,500 of the actual value.  20.7% of the time, the error is greater.

    91.4% of the time they are within $125,000 of the actual value.  8.6% of the time, the error is greater.

    By the way, Realtor.com is no better.  They show my own home as having lost $15,700 in value since we bought it two years ago.  That would make it the only home in Plymouth County to have lost value as the county as a whole is up 4% - 5% per year.  

    In fact, we just had a bank appraisal for a re-fi that put it $115,000 higher than our purchase price.

    The bottom line is that any of the automated home valuation tools are no better than a VERY rough guess.  They are all 100% insufficient to use for decision making.

    I believe you're misreading the context of that chart. "Within 5% of sales price" is not the same thing as "within 5% of the median value for the entire metro". Averages are often misleading. On a more granular basis, the Zestimate prediction might have a harder time predicting houses that are more expensive (fewer comps, more days on market, higher price volatility) than ones in smaller price ranges where the AI has more to learn from and where price volatility will be lower. 

    The way you are interpreting it would be to say that even houses that sell for $150k are having $30k in error, which would be 20% and not 5%. The error would actually only be $7500. I would point to my post above for an explanation on what the Zestimate is trying to accomplish and how it actually works.

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Jason L.  I'm open to a different interpretation, but what I did was to download all of the sales of SFRs in Boston in the last 6 months into an Excel spreadsheet and calculate the median value, which was $625,000.

    I then applied Zillows claimed accuracy to a home sold at that number.  That seems to me to be the right way to read it.

    What am I missing?

  • Member since 2019 · 73 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    All of Boston?  It's been a while, but I've been to Boston.  Boston is a pretty big city.  Lots of neighborhoods.  Not all neighborhoods are created equal.  This is going to sounds like a really weird statement to make, but I think your sample size is too big.  You can't compare Hyde Park to Charlestown...

  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Jason L.  I'm open to a different interpretation, but what I did was to download all of the sales of SFRs in Boston in the last 6 months into an Excel spreadsheet and calculate the median value, which was $625,000.

    I then applied Zillows claimed accuracy to a home sold at that number.  That seems to me to be the right way to read it.

    What am I missing?

     The heading on the chart reads "within 5% of sale price". So for example:

    House sells for $500k => average Zestimate $525k

    House sells for $100k => average Zestimate $105k

    House sells for $1M => average Zestimate $1,050,000

    The way you had interpreted it as "5% of median value" would mean that every house was within 25k regardless of its sale price:

    House sells for $500k => average Zestimate $525k

    House sells for $100k => average Zestimate $125k

    House sells for $1M => average Zestimate $1,025,000

  • Real Estate Broker · Santa Ana CA [South Coast Metro] · Member since 2016 · 459 posts · 202 votes
    7y

    Zillow is a platform to sell advertising to real estate agents. [Agents pay between $30-$150 per buyer lead]

    Now they are buying homes themselves to flip. They lose a ton of money on each flip but loved by Wall Street.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2019/05/10/house-flipper-zillow-lost-109k-35-per-flip-net-loss-triples-shares-soar/

    Zestimates are like crack to homeowners. They love Zillow and go frequently to check the value of their properties.

    I use Zillow all the time.

    In the olden days you would have to call an agent to get a price range [ hence a monopoly on information, this gave agents value and justification]. Its changing most agents have a love hate relationship with Zillow at least the ones that advertise. But Zillow gives homeowners a ball park figure of home values. Many times it does not take into account accurately about the upgrades, condition and some of the other subtle factors that determine value, but like they say in horseshoes and grenades, close enough.

  • Real Estate Broker · Santa Ana CA [South Coast Metro] · Member since 2016 · 459 posts · 202 votes
    7y

    Also Zillow does a better job than my MLS.

    Because they populate listings from multiple MLS boards they have listings that are not showing up in my MLS.

    They do a better job at using the data that the MLS provides them and Zillow is eating their lunch.

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Jason L.  I think we're saying the same thing.  The only difference is that I used the actual median price of homes in Boston and applied Zillow's stated error to it.  You picked $500K and did the same thing.

    Either way, the point stands,  Zestimates are not accurate enough to use for investment decisions.

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