So this is our first home purchase...Live in one unit, rent out the other apt.

So this is our first home purchase...Live in one unit, rent out the other apt.

Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2012 · 30 posts · 5 votes

I was just wondering if everyone could take a look at these numbers and tell me what they think of this deal???

My wife and I are looking at a Duplex right now, in order to rent one unit and live in the other for the foreseeable future (5 years).

The Purchase Price is $75,000 potentially, it's listed for $95,000 but with it having been on the market for the last 15 months the owner is getting desperate for an offer (says the seller's agent to me on the phone) and we will make an offer at $65,000 and hopefully we will get it for the 75k.

Unit 1: 2 bedroom 1 Bath upstairs apartment $600/month with renovations

Unit 2: 2 bedroom 1 Bath but potential to finish downstairs bathroom and Room with egress window etc. $745/month with renovations

It has a 3 car detached garage. Each unit gets a garage but we will rent the 3rd for storage unit for $40.

This is the listing

We will need to put about $30,000 in Renovation cost into it. Meter them out, central air to upstairs unit as well as another furnace.(We are considering just leaving it how it is and putting in the lease agreement that each unit owes half the utility bills on top of their rent, any experience with this issue will be greatly appreciated) Meter them out, new ac/furnace to top unit. VS. Lease states that each unit is responsible for 1/2 utility bills. (Electric, gas, water and, sewage.)

Other than that we will need to refinish the pine floors in Bedrooms/living room/hallway and tile in kitchen and bathrooms plus laminate in basement room. As well as redoing the kitchen counters, resurfacing cabinets and newer appliances. And renovating bathrooms and finishing downstairs Bathroom, bedroom, egress window and, laundry room clean up/paint etc.

It will cost less because the general contractor is my step-dad and will let me do all the demo and I can install new windows myself as well as paint and do a few other things like frame basement bedroom/rough drywall etc.

Btw the vacancy rate in Grand Island, NE where I am buying this is just 3.0%

After all is said in done with both units rented out the number look like this:

NOI: $10,745

Cash Flow: $3,389

ROI: 50.71%

Cap Rate: 10.23%

Cash-on-Cash Return: 50.7%

Total ROI: 137% Plus a little bit due to tax deductions on lnterest from financing.

We are getting an FHA 203K mortgage for $105,000.

COST ASSUMPTIONS

Purchase Price: $75,000

Down Payment: $3,675

Improvements: $30,000

Closing Costs: $3,000

Total Costs= $108,000

Cash Outlay=$6,675

FINANCING ASSUMPTIONS

Downpayment: 3.5%

Finance Amount: $101,325

Down Payment Amt: $3,675

Interest Rate: 4.75%

Mtg. Term (years): 30

Mortgage Payment is $693.05

What does everyone think of this deal?

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  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    If you say each unit is responsible for 1/2 energy cost, then you will get into finger pointing saying "I hardly used anything this month" and not wanting to pay 1/2. Best just to go separate.

  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y
    Couldn't have put in any better Dawn.
  • Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2012 · 30 posts · 5 votes
    13y

    @Dawn A. Is finger pointing really worth the price of fixing it though. If they signed the lease then they will be responsible regardless. The cost to that I think is in the $8-10k range...

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    Brenton Kasselder let's play devil's advocate and say the monthly energy bill comes to $200. You bill your tenant 1/2. They tell you "no way that I'm going to pay $100, I was hardly here this month!"

    What is your response? That they agreed to it? Then they might get upset and leave.

  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Brenton Kasselder I think 8-10K to separate is pretty high. I had an entire rewire done with upgraded service for $4400, it was a few years ago so that price may be off but separating shouldn't be that much I don't think.

    The other aspect to that is (to me at least) a separately metered property is worth more. I think you'll see a part of that expense reflected in your sale price in the future.

  • Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2012 · 30 posts · 5 votes
    13y

    Dawn A.
    I just think it would take a lot of complaning to make 8-10k worth my while. I am not saying I disagree with you entirely. ( I actually have included the 8-10k into my renovation costs) But I do want to fully explore the option of leaving it "as-is".The only thing I can think is that when i want to sell it in the future it will be very difficult to sell it without it being metered out correctly. I have to think that the house not being metered out correctly has a lot to do with it not selling for over a year. Not to mention the rest of the house is in rough shape. Without a lot of sweat equity it would cost a ton more than we will have to pay to renovate.

    Matt Devincenzo I think its right for getting new ac unit/furnace and having them hooked upstairs as well as the place being metering out. Although I really hope your right so I don't have to pay so much for it, but that is the price estimate I got from two different General Contractors and one of them is my step-dad. But either way the numbers work if I do separate them.

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