Beginner investing: Pay off student loans or buy property?

Beginner investing: Pay off student loans or buy property?

North Hollywood, CA · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 0 votes

am 28yrs old in LA working in marketing.

Right now I have about $20k in a high yield online savings and money market, and not exactly sure which I should focus on more - paying off student loans, saving to buy a house, or buy a smaller property like a condo now while interest rates are low.

So far I have been following a PIP plan:

P - Preparing for the unexpected by having an emergency fund 3-4 months of worth of living expenses (part of my $20k) and the proper insurance

I - Investing for the future by contributing 6% of my salary to 401k Roth after-tax (however unfortunately with no match)

P - And my only debt to pay off is my low interest rate student loans ($35k at 6.08% interest rate). I have no other debt! At the current rate I am paying it off I will be done in about 7-8 years (and I am also looking into refinancing for a better deal to find possible better options).

I also have a good high credit score so I want to take that to my advantage as well. I want to invest more in my future but I don't know which way to focus:

1. Paying off student loans more aggressively, most of my savings

2. Invest in a more diverse portfolio like Betterment, Wealthfront, or RealtyShares

3. Save more for a house and still pay my student loans but at a lower amount

4. OR take advantage the historic low interest housing rates and purchase a small condo before they rise (which will be around the election). As of now after my emergency fund, I have about 3-4% down of $450k (another part of my $20k), which I know is not ideal but I would want to take advantage of the low interest rates, plus I would be living with my boyfriend and brother who would be helping me pay it off/splitting it 3 ways.

If I do go this route and purchase something in 6 months which would the most cost effective way:

- Get a FHA with as little as 3.5% down, however it would hurt me that I could never cancel mortgage insurance, however at least it would be a tax-deductible expense when you itemize deductions on Schedule A.

- A conventional loan (also tax deductible) and try to take advantage of being able to cancel it with Automatic termination when my mortgage balance reaches 78% of the original value of the property (no appraisal) or Final termination when I reach the midpoint of my loan when it's interest-only product, have a balloon payment, or were given forbearance by my lender.

- Or avoid mortgage insurance altogether while putting no money down by utilizing a combo loan. If you keep I first loan at 80% LTV or less, and add a second loan of 20% or less, I can still obtain 100% financing without paying PMI. Along with that, I'll most likely snag a lower blended mortgage rate by splitting the loan up.

- I can look into the Bank of America No Fee Mortgage, a so-called no cost loan that doesn’t require mortgage insurance, presumably even if the loan exceeds 80% loan-to-value. The TD Right Step mortgage also allows a three percent down payment with no mortgage insurance required. However, these programs typically have the mortgage insurance built into the interest rate, so it’s not really free. Most homeowners these day opt for a second mortgage instead of doing one loan to avoid high interest rates and private mortgage insurance. The only real downside is the associated fees with a second mortgage, and the two separate payments.

So there are options to make it work if jumping on real estate is the best way to use my savings. Also, since I would be a first time home buyer I would work all the bells and whistles that come with it - including no closing costs. So I do not plan on paying that at all (I know of a lender that has done this for other family members who were firs time buyers). So should I get pre-approved now just to see where I stand so I can have a more realistic idea or no since it effects my credit?

I want to invest more in my future and I think now is a great opportunity for this since interest rates are the lowest it has been, but I'm not sure if jumping into real estate now is the way to go - or pay off student loans aggressively and get them out of the way or keep saving or invest in other systems. Looking for some serious direction.

Thanks again,

Ally

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  • Financial Advisor · Glendora, CA · Member since 2015 · 209 posts · 94 votes
    10y

    If you're buying a condo.... would be nice if you could somehow add in the 35k in student loans.  Or wait till you get some appreciation and do a cash out refi and pay off the loan assuming interest rates stay lower than your student loan rate.  

    I stopped investing into my 401k since I plan on using my income to pay for additional properties to fund my retirement. Its a gamble sure but the historic return on the stock market is 8% a year. Since you're investing in a Roth and using after tax dollars, I don't see any point in a ROTH IRA at this point.

    I'd like to see others weigh in as well.  

  • Property Manager · Griffith, IN · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 913 votes
    10y

    you're going to get a dozen different answers to these questions because it depends on your long term goals and risk tolerance. Some people like to do everything with cash and have no debt. Others leverage every opportunity they can. Only you can answer your questions. 

  • Champaign, IL · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 16 votes
    10y

    HI Ally,

    I Went through a similar dilemma a few years ago, I decided to shovel all the cash I could each month to pay off my student loans. They paid off quickly (30K in 5 years making not much money) but in hindsight I wish I would have bought a place that I could have rented out to roomates, or fixed up over time, or bought a duplex, rather than shoveling all of that money into my student loans. Especially because the payment was relatively manageable.

    If I were you, I would either buy a property that you could rent out part of it to roomates, or the other unit to renters and have them help make the mortgage payment (and ideally pay less than you are in rent at the moment). 

    This might throw a wrench in it for you but...I see you are in North Hollywood, so most of the properties you would be looking at FHA financing or something that is less than 20% down, with that in mind there is a chance that the lender would require you to pay off your student loans to get the financing. I would suggest going to some loan officers/mortgage brokers and seeing how much you could qualify for, if you would need to pay off the student loans, and what the payments WITH PMI would end up being. That way you have a framework or some sort of idea to try and run some numbers when thinking of buying.

  • Rental Property Investor · Northeast Missouri · Member since 2016 · 21 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    One good option might be to look at buying a duplex.  You can probably find one for about the same price as a single family home, rent out the second unit to cover your home loan, and keep paying off your student loans from your income.

  • Lender · Peabody, MA · Member since 2015 · 82 posts · 49 votes
    10y
    If it's your first house there are grants you can apply for to help you with a down payment. I like to keep my risk low so I would try to pay off the loans first, but REI is all about leverage. If you get a deal to good to pass up I would do it. Equity is always a good thing.
  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    10y

    @Ally Garcia my vote is buy a property first. If you have not yet you should read Robert Kiyosaki and his approach on investing - basically let your investment work for you. I look it a little bit as buying a tractor to plow the field vs. doing it by hand.

  • North Hollywood, CA · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    @Drew Cameron thats a great idea! do you happen to know which grants? would i apply/need to get those grants before getting pre-approved?

    @Marcus Auerbach I definitely want to read a book investment book. I was debating between Kiyosaki, Dave Ramsey, or Ramit Sethi. Which is Kiyosaki's book?

  • Software Developer · Vidor, TX · Member since 2015 · 922 posts · 639 votes
    10y

    Refinance the student loan to a lower rate and buy a property.  If you get a good deal and good tenants you could split your cashflow between reinvesting and paying down your loan principle faster if you wanted.  Seems like you have a healthy emergency savings plan, just do the same for your rental carrying costs and you'll be fine.  I think you'll find that paying down 35k faster, just to get that same money back later, isn't worth it.

    No need to read a book.  Using debt for income producing assets, good.  Using debt for liabilities, bad.  Have healthy savings account(s) to hedge against risk.  Oh and don't carry a balance on credit cards.

  • Lender · Peabody, MA · Member since 2015 · 82 posts · 49 votes
    10y

    @Ally Garcia I think that different counties or states can vary, but there are several programs for first time buyers. I've heard of people in Phoenix getting as much as $20,000 for a down payment. I would just ask around and do a little research in your area. Best of luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2013 · 417 posts · 171 votes
    10y

    I am taking the approach of not accelerating the payments/payoff of my student loans and instead opting to use the cash to jnvest in real estate. The assumption that I am operating on is that my return is and will be much greater than the interest I am paying on the student loans as a result and it is working out very well for me. To eah their own however. Good luck!!!

  • North Hollywood, CA · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thank you so much everyone for the insight and advice. I am a very very new to RE and investing in general and using Bigger Pockets as a general guideline for weighing options. Really appreciate ya'll taking the time to help me out in this situation. I'm going to ask for some followups but I apologize in advance if they seem silly or common sense to you. I am not use to RE terms so it will help if you just spell things out for me. Got my training wheels on and determined to make this work! :) 

    @Yoochul C.
    You said "If you're buying a condo.... would be nice if you could somehow add in the 35k in student loans. Or wait till you get some appreciation and do a cash out refi and pay off the loan assuming interest rates stay lower than your student loan rate."
    Did you mean adding my $35k in student loans into or on top of a mortgage loan? What is that called? Do you mean getting a mortgage loan with small downpayment and pay off student loans at the same time - that will eventually wrap my student loan into a mortgage which is a typically lower interest rate that most student loans? How would I do that?

    As for the second option, do you mean get the mortgage loan, pay PMI, student loans, AND mortgage and after 5 years (or whatever is required) I refinance my mortgage loan and use that money to pay off my student loan? Please explain. Thanks!


    @Justin Fox
    You said "Refinance the student loan to a lower rate and buy a property. If you get a good deal and good tenants you could split your cashflow between reinvesting and paying down your loan principle faster if you wanted. Seems like you have a healthy emergency savings plan, just do the same for your rental carrying costs and you'll be fine. I think you'll find that paying down 35k faster, just to get that same money back later, isn't worth it. No need to read a book. Using debt for income producing assets, good. Using debt for liabilities, bad. Have healthy savings account(s) to hedge against risk. Oh and don't carry a balance on credit cards."
    I have a 3 month emergency plans, no balance on credit cards, no car payments, have good credit, and for REI only have about 3-5% down for $450k. My only debt is student loans. 
    From your response above, did you mean that I should refinance my student loans and buy a duplex with tenants? I was thinking of getting a 2-3 bedroom, my boyfriend and I sharing 1 room and renting the others out. If I do go that route, are you suggesting to use that cashflow to pay off the mortgage (obviously) as well as my student loans at the same time, or just the mortgage? How would I use my debt for income producing assets exactly? 


    @Jordan Decuir
    You said "I am taking the approach of not accelerating the payments/payoff of my student loans and instead opting to use the cash to jnvest in real estate. The assumption that I am operating on is that my return is and will be much greater than the interest I am paying on the student loans as a result and it is working out very well for me. To eah their own however."
    So are you paying off the bare minimum of your student loans and just  having to pay it off longer over time? And taking that money you are saving into a downpayment for a home or REI with a program like RealtyShares or Betterment?

  • Rental Property Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2013 · 417 posts · 171 votes
    10y

    @Ally Garcia That is correct, with the exception that I am investing the cash into property on my own, without RealtyShares or Betterment

  • Software Developer · Vidor, TX · Member since 2015 · 922 posts · 639 votes
    10y

    Depending on the cost to refinance your student loan to a lower % rate, it may or may not be worth it.  Either way, I would get a rental property now.  You can use the cashflow however you want.  Pay down your loan, mortgage or neither and just save up for another property (what I would do).  If you use your low debt to income to purchase investment properties with a mortgage, that is what I would consider using debt for income producing assets.  Other assets produce income as well.  Businesses in general, timberland, sand pits and etc.  Now I'm not saying you'll never want to purchase a sports car, ATV or fancy personal residence but just to know the difference.

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