how to know if property is good candidate for forced appreciation

how to know if property is good candidate for forced appreciation

Investor · Sherbrooke, Québec · Member since 2016 · 77 posts · 19 votes

Hi all, i was wondering what you look for when deciding if a property will be a good candidate for forced apprectiation? obviously, things that will allow you to increase the rent or lower expenses, or both.

i'm still fairly new to this game...for me i look at:

1) can i subdivide a unit or renovate a basement (basically turn it into a triplex from duplex, quad from triplex, etc.)

2) can i reduce utilities or pass utilities on to tenant?

3) can i raise rents substantially (property currently renting below market)

4) can i perform some minor renovations (new floor, bathroom, etc.) that will allow me to raise rents?

what are your favorite techniques for forced appreciation, and what do you look for when walking through a building to know if its a good candidate?

thanks

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@Russell Butler

For single family/ suited/ triplex etc look for the fabulous area, likely some infills, money/ investment going into the area. Then buy the ugliest one on that block. Look for a historical max sale price well above your purchase + improvements all in number. Example: you’re buying at 320 and the house hasn’t seen a single dollar of renovations since 1970 with a high sale price within ~2 blocks (this depends on area specifics like parks railroads etc) of 500+ of a similar sq ft/ age home. If you can renovate this for 80-100 and make it substantially similar you may very well have a winner. When starting out leave a LOT of room for error.

Basically, when starting out keep it simple, don’t move walls, try to avoid deep plumbing and electrical work, try to avoid new windows (@ $1k/ hole you won’t get more than a $600/ return) find the ugly and get rid of the ugly. No difference between replacing flooring from 1972 that look awful and replacing flooring from 2005 that just isn’t good enough, it’s still just $/ sq ft. Lots of tips and tricks for adding value like stick to one piece of bling/ wow per room (bedrooms should usually be a nice light or pleasing feature wall).

Pay attention to overall square footage of both the building and the lot, you’ll have a hard time setting an area record price when you’re on a lot that is 30% smaller than the current record.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Port Coquitlam, BC · Member since 2017 · 520 posts · 527 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed in the MF world, value = NOI/cap rate.... with NOI = income- expenses, you can either increase income or decrease expenses. For increasing income, #3 (which sometimes requires #4) is the easiest, assuming you are investing in a jurisdiction that allows rental increases. You can also increase income by adding laundry, renting garage space / stalls / sheds / storage.

    Decreasing expenses is also key... look at every contract (PM, snow, garbage, landscape, insurance) and see if it's optimized.  

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Russell Butler

    For single family/ suited/ triplex etc look for the fabulous area, likely some infills, money/ investment going into the area. Then buy the ugliest one on that block. Look for a historical max sale price well above your purchase + improvements all in number. Example: you’re buying at 320 and the house hasn’t seen a single dollar of renovations since 1970 with a high sale price within ~2 blocks (this depends on area specifics like parks railroads etc) of 500+ of a similar sq ft/ age home. If you can renovate this for 80-100 and make it substantially similar you may very well have a winner. When starting out leave a LOT of room for error.

    Basically, when starting out keep it simple, don’t move walls, try to avoid deep plumbing and electrical work, try to avoid new windows (@ $1k/ hole you won’t get more than a $600/ return) find the ugly and get rid of the ugly. No difference between replacing flooring from 1972 that look awful and replacing flooring from 2005 that just isn’t good enough, it’s still just $/ sq ft. Lots of tips and tricks for adding value like stick to one piece of bling/ wow per room (bedrooms should usually be a nice light or pleasing feature wall).

    Pay attention to overall square footage of both the building and the lot, you’ll have a hard time setting an area record price when you’re on a lot that is 30% smaller than the current record.

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Forced appreciation - Can you explain, please?

    Usually, appreciation is a market thing.  Most people alone don't have enough money to move markets.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    5y

    Buying a place that is solid, but outdated and doing renos is a good option.  Also look at the market that you are buying into-are prices going up over time or are they stable? What are vacancy rates like? Can you add a suite or build an accessory dwelling?  Being able to add a legal second rental opportunities is a great way to increase the income.  Make sure they are on separate meters or you've thought about how to split the water and electricity beforehand.

  • Rental Property Investor · Port Coquitlam, BC · Member since 2017 · 520 posts · 527 votes
    5y

    @Steve Morris  forced appreciation = adding value.  Buy a property and make it worth more, thereby "forcing appreciation"

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    OK, gotcha.  Must be Canadian thing, call it value-add here  :)

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Steve Morris

    Try the poutine, if at first you don’t like it, must be a forced appreciation thing

    ;)

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Worked on a boat with French Canadians a long time ago - Marshmallow paste in a jar is far worse.

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Steve Morris

    That’s just gross in any language

  • Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed I think you pretty much summed it up 

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