FHA 203K loan for first investment property.

FHA 203K loan for first investment property.

Rental Property Investor · Member since 2021 · 5 posts · 4 votes

Hi guys, I am excited to start my Real Estate journey. I’ve done hundreds of hours of research on what to do for my families’ first purchase. Unfortunately this housing market seems a bit daunting. I’m trying to stick to my numbers but the prices I see are crazy to me, especially if there is a correction in the market one day. Looking in central NJ, the prices can reach 600,000$ for a 3-4 unit were looking for.

After listening to a recent podcast of BiggerPockets, I decided to look into a FHA 203K loan to get a house that needs work, build upon it, and build equity. I do have a couple of questions though:

Does the 3.5% still apply to this loan?

Is there certain types of construction that this doesn’t cover?

Is there a “certification” or some sort of special license that a contractor needs to work on a house under a 203K loan?

While the house is being rehabilitated, will I need to start making mortgage payments while it’s under construction or does it start once the house is done?

Do refrigerators, ovens, and other appliances fall under this loan?

Any random advice you would give with this loan? Recommend or run far away from it?

Thank you guys in advance. I can’t wait to start my real estate journey!

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Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 457 posts · 336 votes
5y

Hey Emmanuel - all great questions! This strategy is a valuable one, especially in this hot market. I think it's more important than ever to be prudent, and look to build equity rather than overpay and be under water from the gate which we're seeing a lot of right now. 

To answer each question:

Does the 3.5% still apply to this loan?

Yes, since it's an FHA you only require a minimum of 3.5% of the total purchase + renovation costs. The down payment requirement is the same no matter how many units your property is, up to 4.

Is there certain types of construction that this doesn’t cover?

In general, it covers most conventional renovation items. What it doesn't cover is new builds on purchased land, etc. But alterations, renovations, additions, etc. are all covered. 

Just don't try building like, a tennis court or giant pool house or something haha. It's renovations within reason. ("Reason" could be determined by the lenders renovation lending dept)

Is there a “certification” or some sort of special license that a contractor needs to work on a house under a 203K loan?

Nope! Any licensed, insured, and bonded contractors can qualify to be your contractor for the project. It absolutely helps if they've done it before, or are familiar with the process, but it's not at all necessary. What's more important is to make sure that you vet them out by calling their references, checking their reviews online, or getting personal referrals from friends or colleagues. 

Biggest newbie mistake is to go with the cheapest guy, or only getting one bid, with nothing to compare to.

Start vetting contractors now, have a pool to pick from when you're in contract and call on all of them to come give you an estimate. Some won't show, some will be too busy, so you need to have a couple at any given time. You don't want to get caught without one when the time comes. 

While the house is being rehabilitated, will I need to start making mortgage payments while it’s under construction or does it start once the house is done?

No! There's an option in the 203k loan that allows you to wrap up to 6 months of mortgage payments into the principal of the loan. This was something that my lender had no idea I could do, and unfortunately I got stuck with the payments on mine, for a house I couldn't live in.

That's why its SO important to have a lender that is very well versed in these loans on your team. 

Do refrigerators, ovens, and other appliances fall under this loan?

Yep!

Any random advice you would give with this loan? Recommend or run far away from it?

The biggest separator of people that have a great experience or a bad experience is their team. You need experienced renovation loan professionals. Your lender, consultant, contractor, realtor - it's important they have exposure to these loans, or in the very least a great track record in every other part of their business. 

Don't settle for anything less than stellar. 

If they don't understand them, they'll attempt to give you advice, and usually it's unwarranted or unverified. 

This holds true in all aspects of real estate, not just the 203k loan. 

Hope this all helps!

The 203k Way
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  • Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
    Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 457 posts · 336 votes
    5y

    Hey Emmanuel - all great questions! This strategy is a valuable one, especially in this hot market. I think it's more important than ever to be prudent, and look to build equity rather than overpay and be under water from the gate which we're seeing a lot of right now. 

    To answer each question:

    Does the 3.5% still apply to this loan?

    Yes, since it's an FHA you only require a minimum of 3.5% of the total purchase + renovation costs. The down payment requirement is the same no matter how many units your property is, up to 4.

    Is there certain types of construction that this doesn’t cover?

    In general, it covers most conventional renovation items. What it doesn't cover is new builds on purchased land, etc. But alterations, renovations, additions, etc. are all covered. 

    Just don't try building like, a tennis court or giant pool house or something haha. It's renovations within reason. ("Reason" could be determined by the lenders renovation lending dept)

    Is there a “certification” or some sort of special license that a contractor needs to work on a house under a 203K loan?

    Nope! Any licensed, insured, and bonded contractors can qualify to be your contractor for the project. It absolutely helps if they've done it before, or are familiar with the process, but it's not at all necessary. What's more important is to make sure that you vet them out by calling their references, checking their reviews online, or getting personal referrals from friends or colleagues. 

    Biggest newbie mistake is to go with the cheapest guy, or only getting one bid, with nothing to compare to.

    Start vetting contractors now, have a pool to pick from when you're in contract and call on all of them to come give you an estimate. Some won't show, some will be too busy, so you need to have a couple at any given time. You don't want to get caught without one when the time comes. 

    While the house is being rehabilitated, will I need to start making mortgage payments while it’s under construction or does it start once the house is done?

    No! There's an option in the 203k loan that allows you to wrap up to 6 months of mortgage payments into the principal of the loan. This was something that my lender had no idea I could do, and unfortunately I got stuck with the payments on mine, for a house I couldn't live in.

    That's why its SO important to have a lender that is very well versed in these loans on your team. 

    Do refrigerators, ovens, and other appliances fall under this loan?

    Yep!

    Any random advice you would give with this loan? Recommend or run far away from it?

    The biggest separator of people that have a great experience or a bad experience is their team. You need experienced renovation loan professionals. Your lender, consultant, contractor, realtor - it's important they have exposure to these loans, or in the very least a great track record in every other part of their business. 

    Don't settle for anything less than stellar. 

    If they don't understand them, they'll attempt to give you advice, and usually it's unwarranted or unverified. 

    This holds true in all aspects of real estate, not just the 203k loan. 

    Hope this all helps!

    The 203k Way
  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2021 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Matthew Porcaro great information. Thank you so much this was so informative.

  • Rental Property Investor · Souderton, PA · Member since 2020 · 124 posts · 106 votes
    5y

    @Matthew Porcaro

    Awesome feedback to the post!

    I have a question about the 6 month lapse and wrapping those payment to the principle of the loan..

    Does that 6 month rehab period mean you do not need to claim residency until that is over?

  • Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
    Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 457 posts · 336 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jacob Lapp:

    @Matthew Porcaro

    Awesome feedback to the post!

    I have a question about the 6 month lapse and wrapping those payment to the principle of the loan..

    Does that 6 month rehab period mean you do not need to claim residency until that is over?

    Great question! Your residency starts as soon as you purchase, even though you might not be physically living there. It's your primary main residence, whether you occupy or not. 

    Hope that clarifies!

    The 203k Way
  • Rental Property Investor · Souderton, PA · Member since 2020 · 124 posts · 106 votes
    5y

    @Matthew Porcaro

    I’m in my second multi family house hack now and am ready to do my third deal but have 5 months until my year of residency is up here.

    I have a deal in my hand that would be perfect for the 203k loan.

    I was hoping the residency would lapse with the time for the rehab but I don’t think that would work based on what you are saying.

    Any insight on that or a way to make that work would be greatly appreciated!

  • Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
    Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 457 posts · 336 votes
    5y

    @Jacob Lapp

    Is the next deal a multi as well?

    You could potentially do a HomeStyle instead. It’ll require 15% down payment instead of 3.5%, but you won’t have to occupy it.

    You still get to wrap in reno costs into the loan as well!

    The 203k Way
  • Rental Property Investor · Souderton, PA · Member since 2020 · 124 posts · 106 votes
    5y

    @Matthew Porcaro

    Yes it is a triplex. But I didn’t know about that program I will definitely look into it! Thanks!

  • Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
    Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 457 posts · 336 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jacob Lapp:

    @Matthew Porcaro

    Yes it is a triplex. But I didn’t know about that program I will definitely look into it! Thanks!

    The caveat to the non-owner occupied HomeStyle loan is that it can only be a single family, that's why I asked. Sorry, should have clarified. 

    With some other properties under your belt, it might be worth pitching this deal to a bunch of smaller banks and credit unions. If you pitch it right, many avid bankers would be willing to work out a customized mortgage offer for you!

    The 203k Way
  • Attorney · Bridgeport, CT · Member since 2021 · 32 posts · 25 votes
    5y

    @Matthew Porcaro thanks for the informative answer! so helpful.

    @Emmanuel Alexandre I'm also going the 203K route, and you asked great questions, and I learned something new! Please do keep us posted on your journey.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2021 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Tracy Opoku I will def keep my journey updated on this thread. Feel like this loan has a lot of great potential in this type of market and more people should see how it works. Will keep everyone updated.

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