How to get a HELOC for building a home myself

How to get a HELOC for building a home myself

Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes

Hey guys and girls. My brother in law and I plan to start investing by building new homes. I have a friend who used to be a home builder who can build me a 2000 as fr 4bd 2.5 bath home for 100k. I found a lot that I really like in my town that is 1.25 acres on top a hill with a view. Similar sized homes in that neighborhood are worth 380k+. So what I am thinking is buying the lot (listed for 39k but been on the market for a year) for 30k and having my friend build me the house for 100k. If this happens, we should have a lot of equity since it'll be ours outright, and then we will use the 380k of equity to build new properties since it's chesp to do. Anyway, my brother in law called his bank, and when they asked his intent for the money, they recommended a construction loan instead. He is trying to get a HELOC on a home he owns outright .We obviously don't want to go that route since we will be obligated to build with a contractor and it will cost us much more, to the point where it doesn't make sense. So my question is, how can we go about getting the HELOC for our purpose? This may sound like a dumb question, but we have never done this before.

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Flipper/Rehabber · Union City, NJ · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 8 votes
6y

@Luis Prieto , i don't know how you can build a house without a licensed contractor? You will need permits from your town, and in order to get those, the builder has to show them the corresponding licenses (electrical, plumbing etc) I started my project without the proper demolition permit, that cost me $2400 right off the back.!

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  • Lender · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2018 · 703 posts · 446 votes
    6y

    To my knowledge you can't get a HELCO on something that is not built.  You could go to a owner builder lender.  Many local lumber yards do this if you buy all the materials from them or normandy.com does it.

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Tim Johnson Thanks for the suggestion. I should had mentioned that he is trying to get a HELOC on an existing home that he owns outright.

  • Member since 2019 · 111 posts · 36 votes
    6y

    A HELOC won't work for you as you need to have something that is built

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Amanda Kessler So what you are saying is that I can't get a HELOC out of a pre-existing outright owned property to use for the build of a new home? Just to clarify, we would be getting a HELOC on a pre-existing home that my brother in law owns outright.

  • Rental Property Investor · NC · Member since 2018 · 776 posts · 776 votes
    6y

    It might be cheaper for your brother to REFI the home to pull the cash out. HELOCs are more expensive and can have variable interest rates over long durations.

    Not doubting your friend but building a 2000 sqft home for 100k is pushing it. He would be doing the construction at cost and will likely keep coming to you for additional money to get the job done. Pricing for materials is not so cheap anymore. A consideration would be the finishes. If you want it to be worth 380k, you're going to need some nice finishes which cost more money.

  • Lender · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2018 · 703 posts · 446 votes
    6y

    Is the property an investment property?  Those can be difficult to get a heloc on?  I would call some local credit unions and tell them what you plan to do and see if they can make it happen.

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Tim Johnson The home my brother in law is wanting to get a HELOC on is his primary home. The home we would build would be my primary home, from which we plan to use to build more homes.

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    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto, good on you for staying with this conversation. :D Yes, it is possible to get a HELOC in first position, but is uncommon (hence the answers). There is one called the All In One first position HELOC. It has a checkbook associated with it, so you can take draws and use your income every month to reduce the balance. It requires a 700 FICO and 40% or better debt to income ratio. Whereas most HELOCs are inexpensive, this one has regular closing costs that are quite high.

    Ridge Lending offers this product and offers a calculator so you can see how it works.  

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Kerry Baird. Thank you for your input. I know what I want to do, it's just a matter of figuring out how to do it. I will check out the calculator. I am assuming that I will be able to do a cash out refi on the new home, and use that cash to pay the All In One First Position HELOC as I don't want a lien on my brother in law's home for long.

  • Kerry BairdPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto, the other thing that you might do is identify all of the small, local lenders.  Some of them will have an appetite for new builds.  The small local community banks have an interest in being the lender for locals.  One of them will likely offer new build mortgages.  So you could work out the refinance on the one side, and hold cash with the cash out...then use the other new build mortgage to get the building commenced, while saving cash for making payments or problems that you cannot identify right now.

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Kerry Baird Thanks. My concern with new build mortgages is that they are probably going to want me to hire a registered liscenced contractor, and I'm trying to avoid that because I know that the build will cost a lot more. I might just have to ask a relative for a cash loan. They'll probably even lend me the money interest free, but I'm trying to avoid that route for personal reasons.

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto he can definitely get a Heloc on his primary residence or just a cash out refi but I know the issue he may run into his the purpose of the loan you can’t tell them it’s for a business purpose. While working in a bank I did Helocs all the time that people use for other projects just don’t tell the bank that.

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Frank Geiger  He told me 100k or Just a tad bit more. He is currently building one for a guy in a nearby town, and I went over to look at it. I have had him do work for me in the past, and has been honest. The reason why I need cash is because he isn't a licensed contractor anymore, but he used to, and I know that he knows what he is doing. Moreover, I have absolutely no problem doing some of the work myself, such as the insulation, painting, cabinets, maybe even floors and fixtures to sacrifice cost for better finishes. Around that neighborhood, those houses don't have high end finishes. They're actually very spec-home like. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Union City, NJ · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto , i don't know how you can build a house without a licensed contractor? You will need permits from your town, and in order to get those, the builder has to show them the corresponding licenses (electrical, plumbing etc) I started my project without the proper demolition permit, that cost me $2400 right off the back.!

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Brandon Arce.  If you have cash, you can do owner build here. I would be responsible for all the permits, and as long as everything passed inspection, it's all good. I have a friend who is building a house without a licensed contractor. He is just hiring a couple guys to build it

  • Multifamily Syndicator · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto Wait, what?!!! Your friend is building new construction for $50/sq ft. This is an awesome cost!

    You need to introduce me to this friend. I need him!!!

    Honestly, from what you are saying, I'd say forget that HELOC or REFI and start thinking of ways to get Private Money or raising funds from friends and family (you would be surprised who has money). 

    At these margins, you and your brother-in-law can make some serious bank! 

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @Ola Dantis  Yeah, it's crazy I know. Luckily, I know him personally, and the guy that does the excavation is my best friend. I can get a lot of private money. I have several relatives with 7 and 8 figure net worths. However, I want to avoid that route for personal reasons. I mean, if it all lies on that, then so be it, but I am trying to explore ways in which I won't rely on my family. Long story short. My father has ridiculed and been very disrespectful towards my wife's family. I promised my wife that we wouldn't use his or anyone in my family's cash, because my dad will only continue his onslaught.

  • Accountant · Oxford, MS · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 6 votes
    6y

    I currently am using a rental house that is owned outright for a HELOC to fund the interest on a construction loan with my brother. My brother owns a peice of land outright and he is putting it up as a collateral for a new construction loan. We are splitting the property into two lots. Here in MS it costs about $100/sqft to build a house. If we do a lot of the work ourselves with the help of licensed contractors, it will cost us about 50/sqft. It will cost us about $65000 to build. It will be worth about $95000 after conservatively. I do believe it can be done to borrow off of new construction. Make sure you are researching the value based on amenities provided and location of house. Sounds like a winner.

  • Member since 2018 · 61 posts · 22 votes
    6y

    @John Verner. Sounds like you have a good plan, and I find it interesting that I'm thinking of doing the same. The amenities on the lot are convenient and cheap because it's a city lot. Water/sewer connection is only $1,500 and power is on the curb. Thanks for the input.

  • Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2019 · 27 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    @Luis Prieto you can generally get a Home Equity Line regardless of what you want to use it for. With the home being free and clear it would be a good use of leverage. Things to look at when taking a Heloc on an investment property, they will generally want a higher equity piece and most banks wont allow you do continue to do that over an over again. If your partner is comfortable using his existing equity I would jump at the opportunity to get a lower interest rate. Keep in mind they are generally variable rates with some lock options.

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