First Out of State BRRRR - Duplex in OKC

First Out of State BRRRR - Duplex in OKC

Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 975 votes

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Lincoln.

Purchase price: $100,000
Cash invested: $25,000

This was my first BRRRR project, and I did it all from San Diego using a great team there in Oklahoma City. This was purchased off-market via my agent/property manager.

Purchase price was 100k and rehab was 25k, both funded by a private lender. Most of the work was exterior so we were able to keep the tenants in place during the rehab. After the work was complete (6 months later), I did a cash out refinance at 80% LTV and it appraised for 165k.
It rents for about 990/side. The property is currently worth 200-220k.

One mistake I made was not realizing the mortgage was only fixed for 3 years, then variable. So I will have to reassess as I approach that 3-year mark if it still makes sense to hold it once that interest rate jumps up, or maybe I'll be able to refi into a longer-term fixed rate.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Prior to this deal, I had been buying turnkey investments, but I wanted to be more hands-on and get a better return on capital.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My real estate agent (who is also a property manager) brought it to me

How did you finance this deal?

Private money at 10% (no points) into a cash out refinance, 80% LTV

How did you add value to the deal?

Mostly exterior cosmetic improvements, some interior improvements including flooring.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Abbie Davis at The Property Center in Edmond, OK!

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Rhett TullisBusiness Member
Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
3y

I assume you mean Lincoln county?  Not many multi fam in that price range in the metro now that are not tear downs.  Congrats on the purchase.  Why not get a commercial loan?  Much better terms than you seem to have right now.

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  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    3y

    Congrats on the successful OOS BRRRR. I have never done an OOS BRRRR as I find the local ones to be hard enough. I also have never done a BRRRR rehab with a unit occupied

    Can you share your rehab costs and holding costs I can tell that this was a good/great BRRRR, but especially without rehab costs I cannot determine how great (I can estimate holding cost at $5k ($100k * 10% *0.5 (half year)) . I do not know if I should be including holding costs in the expense because unit was occupied. Maybe at a discount so $2k holding?

    Most variable loans have both a maximum amount increase in a duration (such as 1.5% per year) and a maximum total increase cap (such as cannot increase more that 4% total).  Depending on when you refinanced and the rate you received, your variable could cap at a lower rate than the rate that will be available to you when your variable adjusts.  It is something to at least look into.  

    Congrats 

  • Rhett TullisBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
    3y

    I assume you mean Lincoln county?  Not many multi fam in that price range in the metro now that are not tear downs.  Congrats on the purchase.  Why not get a commercial loan?  Much better terms than you seem to have right now.

  • Real Estate Broker · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 355 posts · 195 votes
    3y

    Awesome @Doug Spence, look forward to you sharing more wins!

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 975 votes
    3y

    @Dan H. Here are the numbers in more detail, copied from an article I wrote, which I just realized isn't on my website anymore for some reason!

    The Purchase

    Purchase Price.............$100,000

    Closing Costs...............$2203.02

    Agent Commission....$0

    I used private money at a 10% interest rate to fund the purchase price. My agent brought me the deal, and she was paid her commission by the seller. The closing costs included title fees, title insurance, the home inspection, the notary’s fee, and other minor administrative costs. I had to pay a notary to bring me the closing documents because I was on a work trip in North Carolina at the time of closing.

    The Rehab

    I estimated the rehab cost to be $20,000 and my private lender agreed to lend this amount in addition to the $100,000 purchase price. The rehab went over budget by $5,115.80, and I contributed the capital to cover the additional costs.

    Foundation

    5 Steel Piers Installed..............................................$2,875.00

    Exterior

    New Gutter System..................................................$1,439.67

    New Porch including railings................................$3,500.00

    New Fascia and Trim................................................$4,000.00

    Paint entire exterior incl

    new fascia and trim......................................$2,000.00

    Remove overgrown vegetation............................$125.00

    Plumbing

    Faucet repairs..............................................................$75.00

    Water line repairs.......................................................$75.00

    Kitchen

    New tile in both kitchens installed.......................$2,500.00

    Windows/Doors

    New windows for both sides, installed...............$5,676.13

    New trim, caulk, and paint around

    new windows...................................................$2,250.00

    New storm door...........................................................$300.00

    Replace back door threshold on both sides.....$300.00

    Estimated Time to Rehab........................................3 months

    Actual Time to Rehab...............................................6.75 months

    Total Rehab Cost.........................................................$25,115.80

    The Refinance

    I worked with a mortgage broker to help me find a bank that would do an 80% LTV (loan to value) cash-out refinance with no seasoning period. This is a key component of the BRRRR strategy, because I wanted to pull as much capital out as possible and not have to wait 6 months for the loan to ‘season'.

    Property Appraisal.................$161,000

    Closing Costs...........................$1,994.44

    Loan Term..................................20 years

    Loan Interest Rate...................4.75% (Fixed for 3 years, then variable)

    Loan Principal...........................$128,942.44

    Origination Fees......................$2,848.00

    Appraisal Fee............................$600.00

    Monthly P&I..............................$838.15

    Total Capital Invested............$8,365.80

    Lending Costs

    Principal......................$120,000.00

    Interest rate...............10%

    Lending Period..........6 months 23 days

    Total Interest Paid....$6,750.00

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 975 votes
    3y

    @Rhett Tullis This property is near the intersection of NW 23rd and Villa. The financing was technically 'commercial' since i purchased it using an LLC. Not sure I could get better than a 4.75 right now but if you know of a lender that can get me a fixed rate around there please let me know!

  • Rhett TullisBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
    3y

    @Doug Spence yeah not gonna beat 4.75 now.  I'm guessing this purchase was from a bit ago at that rate or you got lucky on it.  Also at that price either the guy selling was desperate or you bought it a bit back as not much going in that price range in that area right now.  I own a few properties around the corner from yours.  Right now a 4 plex in that area in good shape will go for well over 200k if well done.  You won't get fixed rate on any commercial loans but you generally get much lower closing cost on it and it adjusts every 5 years on a 15 year note.  I do them often and find it to work well.

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 975 votes
    3y

    @Rhett Tullis The cash out refi was June of 2021 back when rates were favorable. My PM said they estimate its worth 200-220k now which may be a bit high, but im renting it out for around 950/side so maybe 200k+ isnt unreasonable!

    I will need to decide before next June if i want to refi or sell it - whos your go to lender?

  • Rhett TullisBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
    3y

    @Doug Spence yeah that price would be about right in 2021, in 2022 those were flying off the shelf.  200k is doable but I am always hesitant to sell a property.  I'm in this for the long haul so I only buy.  I work with Liberty National Bank here in okc.  they are super easy to work with.  I can connect you if you like but there may be others out there as well.  Most of it is about the relationship you have with the bank.

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