Cleveland cash-flow screen: 421 of 2,036 listings passed. What stood out.

Cleveland cash-flow screen: 421 of 2,036 listings passed. What stood out.

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I wanted to know how much of the Cleveland market actually cash-flows at conservative terms, so I screened every active for-sale listing in Cuyahoga County this week (Oct 20).

Assumptions: 25% down, 7% / 30-yr, 3% closing, 8% vacancy, 7% repairs, 8% capex, 10% management. Rent = 85% of HUD Small Area FMR by ZIP, with an extra haircut in low-price ZIPs and a cap at Zillow's rent index.

What came out:

- 2,036 listings evaluated, 421 positive cash flow (~21%), and 121 "strong" (at least $200/mo and 8% cash-on-cash).

- Multi-family dominated: 52% of 2–4 unit listings passed, vs 11% of single family. Condos and townhouses: 0%, because HOA dues kill it.

- The 1% rule misleads: 757 listings met it, but 336 of those still lost money once real expenses were in.

- Passing listings had a median price around $110k, vs $165k for the whole market. Most passers were in the $100k–$150k band (185), then $75k–$100k (102).

- Median cash flow among the passers was only ~$134/mo (CoC around 5%). Most "deals" are thin, and the strong ones are the exception.

- The most passers were in ZIPs 44105, 44108, 44110, 44112 and 44104.

Caveats: these are screening estimates from list price. They don't include rehab, actual taxes after reassessment, or real comps, so walk and underwrite anything before an offer.

Curious what local investors see: do the rent numbers match what you actually get in those ZIPs?

Disclosure: I'm with Row Home Solutions, which built the screen. Happy to share the full method if anyone wants it.

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  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 115 posts · 54 votes
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    @Thomas Cruz Fragoza Nice work, and thanks for posting the assumptions. That's rarer than it should be.

    The stat that jumped out is the 336 listings that met the 1% rule and still lost money. That's 44% of the 1% passers, which is a good argument for retiring the rule in a county with Cuyahoga's tax rates.

    The other thing I'd test is the margin. A median of $134 a month is about $1,600 a year, so one furnace or a slow turnover wipes out the year. In the ZIPs at the top of your list I'd add a bad-debt line on top of the 8% vacancy, since unpaid rent and empty units aren't the same thing. How many of the 121 strong deals survive 5% for bad debt?

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    Quote from @Thomas Cruz Fragoza:

    I wanted to know how much of the Cleveland market actually cash-flows at conservative terms, so I screened every active for-sale listing in Cuyahoga County this week (Oct 20).

    Assumptions: 25% down, 7% / 30-yr, 3% closing, 8% vacancy, 7% repairs, 8% capex, 10% management. Rent = 85% of HUD Small Area FMR by ZIP, with an extra haircut in low-price ZIPs and a cap at Zillow's rent index.

    What came out:

    - 2,036 listings evaluated, 421 positive cash flow (~21%), and 121 "strong" (at least $200/mo and 8% cash-on-cash).

    - Multi-family dominated: 52% of 2–4 unit listings passed, vs 11% of single family. Condos and townhouses: 0%, because HOA dues kill it.

    - The 1% rule misleads: 757 listings met it, but 336 of those still lost money once real expenses were in.

    - Passing listings had a median price around $110k, vs $165k for the whole market. Most passers were in the $100k–$150k band (185), then $75k–$100k (102).

    - Median cash flow among the passers was only ~$134/mo (CoC around 5%). Most "deals" are thin, and the strong ones are the exception.

    - The most passers were in ZIPs 44105, 44108, 44110, 44112 and 44104.

    Caveats: these are screening estimates from list price. They don't include rehab, actual taxes after reassessment, or real comps, so walk and underwrite anything before an offer.

    Curious what local investors see: do the rent numbers match what you actually get in those ZIPs?

    Disclosure: I'm with Row Home Solutions, which built the screen. Happy to share the full method if anyone wants it.

    @Thomas Cruz Fragoza, I think your findings show why the numbers need a closer look before making an offer. I can't speak to the actual rents in those Cleveland ZIP codes, but with a median cash flow of just $134 a month, I'd want to verify the rental income and look closely at any existing leases, unpaid rent, and property issues before moving forward.

    I'm a real estate attorney and investor based in Maryland, and I work with clients on property transactions, lease agreements, and landlord-tenant matters. One thing I encourage is reviewing the actual lease terms and property records, not just the projected income. Those details can make a big difference when buying an occupied rental.

    I appreciate you sharing the numbers and your assumptions, @Thomas Cruz Fragoza. It's a helpful discussion for investors, and it connects closely with the real estate work I do. Happy to stay connected!

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