Investor · Atlanta · Member since 2019 · 537 posts · 91 votes
hi, After I left previous employer couple of years ago I pulled out money from that employer 401k custodian company to Roth IRA by paying taxes I believe. I like to use this money to invest in buying single family or small multi family. What is best easiest and cheapest way to do it with minimal hassles and headaches. Please advise
@Gp G. The simplest path depends on whether you want the Roth IRA itself to own the property or whether you plan to withdraw funds and buy personally. Those are very different transactions, so first confirm with a tax professional that the prior 401(k)-to-Roth conversion was reported correctly and determine the tax and penalty consequences of any withdrawal.
If the IRA will own real estate, you generally need a self-directed IRA custodian that permits it. The IRA—not you personally—must purchase the property, pay every expense, and receive all income. Personal use, certain transactions with related parties, and providing uncompensated labor can create serious prohibited-transaction issues. Financing, if used, may also require a nonrecourse loan and could introduce additional tax considerations.
For the least hassle, consider keeping the Roth invested in conventional assets and purchasing real estate outside the IRA, or using a professionally managed real-estate investment within the account. Before moving funds, compare custodian setup, transaction, asset-holding, and closing fees, and consult a CPA or attorney experienced with self-directed retirement accounts.
Your current IRA likely will only allow you to invest traditional financial assets like stocks, bonds, etc. If you want to keep your money in your current ROTH IRA you can invest in things like Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). This would likely be the easiest and cheapest way to invest in real estate but you don't own or control individual properties yourself.
The other alternative is opening something called a self-directed IRA (SDIRA) which will allow you to buy individual properties but it also comes with considerable stipulations that make me personally find that it's generally not worth it.
IRA's have no such loan option. You can take out the principal provided you've had Roth IRA for at least 5 years. Also note each year Roth conversions also have their own 5 year rule. This is to avoid penalties.
The alternative is to set up a self directed Roth IRA and use it to invest in real estate. That would be for your future benefit. If you want to own the property personally then the only option is to take a distribution from the IRA.
@Gp G. The simplest path depends on whether you want the Roth IRA itself to own the property or whether you plan to withdraw funds and buy personally. Those are very different transactions, so first confirm with a tax professional that the prior 401(k)-to-Roth conversion was reported correctly and determine the tax and penalty consequences of any withdrawal.
If the IRA will own real estate, you generally need a self-directed IRA custodian that permits it. The IRA—not you personally—must purchase the property, pay every expense, and receive all income. Personal use, certain transactions with related parties, and providing uncompensated labor can create serious prohibited-transaction issues. Financing, if used, may also require a nonrecourse loan and could introduce additional tax considerations.
For the least hassle, consider keeping the Roth invested in conventional assets and purchasing real estate outside the IRA, or using a professionally managed real-estate investment within the account. Before moving funds, compare custodian setup, transaction, asset-holding, and closing fees, and consult a CPA or attorney experienced with self-directed retirement accounts.
As others have said, real estate is already tax advantaged so why invest within the confines of a vehicle that is going to be tax free forever? It adds A lot of complications.
For me personally, I invest in real estate debt in first lean position within the confines of my Roth/tax deferred accounts and leave the real estate be invested not through a tax retirement account.
Who is your custodian? If it is considered self-directed, then you can invest it in many different asset classes. You can invest it in private lending, debt fund, traditional real estate, horse sperm. Lots of variations. There are many passive opportunities that are out there. I think what it boils down to is: whatever you invest in, make sure you understand what it is you're investing in and are familiar with the asset class.
I am with vanguard Roth IRA. I guess only option slow save option for down payment and buy a cheap single family each year in my market as I hear some crazy stories in detroit, St. Louis and Ohio
Hey Gp, if you end up pulling contributions out for a down payment, here’s a lending tip: document everything. The lender will want the Roth statement, the withdrawal confirmation, and the deposit hitting your bank account so the funds are sourced. It’s easiest to move the money a couple of months before you apply so it’s just sitting in your account.
On the cheap-house plan, be careful with the $50K Midwest stories. I'm from St Louis and cheap houses sound great, but can be VERY cranky and constant maintenance/repairs. A low price usually means older systems and more turnover, and some lenders won’t do loans that small.