Why Does the Bank Want to Know Everything About Me Except Whether I'm Any Good?

Why Does the Bank Want to Know Everything About Me Except Whether I'm Any Good?

New to Real Estate · Miami, FL · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 474 votes

I've always found it fascinating how much a lender can know about a borrower without necessarily knowing whether the guy is any good at what he does.

We want tax returns, bank statements, credit reports, income history, and enough documentation to reconstruct his financial life since kindergarten. But here's something those documents don't necessarily tell us. Almost everybody starts a business strong and confident. Full of ambition, enthusiasm, and the absolute conviction that he's going to conquer the world. Fine. But will he still be standing fifteen years later?

I'm not suggesting he'll inevitably turn into some cynical French caricature, cigarette butt hanging from his mouth, shrugging and muttering, "What does it matter?" But not everybody is built for the long haul.

I suspect the first ten years are the hardest. If you've survived a decade in the same business, you've probably learned something more valuable than enthusiasm: realism. You've discovered that customers disappear, markets change, good employees leave, and occasionally the entire universe seems personally offended by your business plan. And you're still there.

Now consider two borrowers. One is a young entrepreneur, three years into a rapidly growing business. Energetic, ambitious, making excellent money. He might be exactly the guy to bet on right now. The other has been running a modest contracting business for twenty years. His income fluctuates, but he's survived recessions, difficult customers, and enough unpleasant surprises to stop being surprised. He's not particularly exciting. He doesn't promise to revolutionize plumbing. He just keeps showing up.

Which one is the better credit risk? Well, that depends on what we're actually financing.

There's an ancient Greek figure called Kairos, the personification of the right moment. Sometimes the opportunity is precisely that young entrepreneur's extraordinary momentum. If he's genuinely competent and not completely full of ****, there may be excellent reasons to take advantage of that energy while it lasts. But a thirty-year mortgage isn't a bet on somebody having a spectacular Tuesday. It's a bet on his ability to keep earning through thousands of ordinary Tuesdays, including the miserable ones.

Of course, longevity doesn't guarantee competence, and enthusiasm isn't evidence of irresponsibility. A twenty-year veteran can be complacent, while a newcomer can be exceptionally disciplined. And lenders need documented repayment capacity, not amateur psychological evaluations.

Still, I wonder whether we're asking two different questions without noticing. Are we financing the opportunity in front of us, where timing and momentum matter? Or are we financing someone's ability to survive the long haul, where experience and resilience may matter more?

Because the borrower who's perfect for one might be completely wrong for the other. And perhaps the real mistake isn't choosing the energetic newcomer over the boring veteran, or vice versa. It's forgetting to ask how long we need the qualities we're betting on to last.

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  • James JonesPro Member
    Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 830 posts · 602 votes
    4h

    Drago, you just described why a lot of us stopped underwriting ourselves and started underwriting the house.

    On a conventional loan, the bank lends on you — your income, your job, your history — so it asks about everything except the thing that will actually pay it back. On a DSCR loan the order flips: the rent has to cover the payment, taxes and insurance, and the property carries the loan. I run DSCR at 70 to 80% LTV against ARVs of $180K to $265K, and the deals that work are the ones where the numbers worked before anyone asked my name.

    So which borrower is the better risk? On the paper the bank can file, the steady one. In the real world, the one whose tenants pay on the first, every month. The bank is not ignoring competence because it is stupid. It is ignoring it because competence does not fit in the file it has to sell.

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