Birmingham cash-flow screen: 325 of 1,650 passed. What do you pay for insurance?

Birmingham cash-flow screen: 325 of 1,650 passed. What do you pay for insurance?

Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 6 votes

I ran the same buy-and-hold screen I did for Cleveland and Toledo on every active Birmingham-area listing from $60k to $600k, pulled Oct 23. That's 1,650 listings. The assumption I trust least is insurance, and local owners know it better than any dataset.

Assumptions: 25% down at 7% on a 30-year, 3% closing, 8% vacancy plus 2% bad debt, 7% repairs, 8% capex and 10% management. Rents come from HUD's fair market rents, discounted and capped at Zillow's rent index. Taxes are at the rental rate inside city limits. I ran insurance two ways: the Alabama average scaled to the house plus 20% for a landlord policy, and a flat $1,500 a year.

What came out:

  • 325 of 1,650 cash flow with scaled insurance, and 59 clear $200 a month at 8% cash-on-cash. At a flat $1,500, it's 303, with 39 clearing that bar.

  • Nearly everything that worked is under $150k. Nothing over $200k passed.

  • The 1% rule fooled me again. A good share of houses that hit it still lost money.

  • The typical passer clears about $90–115 a month. Thin.

Stress test: 5% bad debt, 10% lower rent and 25% higher insurance all at once. 141 still cash flow (87 at $1,500). Lower rent hurts the most on its own.

This is buy-and-hold at list price with no rehab, so it's a different question from @Idan Deutsch's BRRRR screen here a few months back, where none of 350 passed. Both point the same way: cheap houses can cash flow, but the margin is thin and depends on numbers you have to check locally, starting with a real insurance quote.

Two things I'd like from people who own here:

  1. What does a landlord policy run you on a $70–100k house? Under $1,500 or over?

  2. What do rehabbed 3-beds actually rent for in 35211 and 35208?

I built this screen through my business, Row Home Solutions. Throw me better insurance numbers and I'll rerun it.

Thomas

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  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 139 posts · 70 votes
    13h

    Great screen. What jumps out to me is how thin the passers are next to the insurance swing. Every $500 a year of premium is about $42 a month. On a house clearing $90-115, going from $1,500 to $2,000 eats close to 40% of the cash flow. So I'd treat anything under $100 a month as a coin flip until there's a real quote in hand.

    When you get quotes, give the agent the roof age and year built. On older housing stock those two often move the price more than the dwelling value does. It also helps explain your 1% rule result. On a $90K house, insurance and taxes are a much bigger share of the rent than on a $200K one.

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