Vacation Rental

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Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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Hi @Jared Crouch

Here is what I use to calculate the return on a VRBO property, everything in blue should be updated for the property your looking at - my numbers for nights/rate came from the property management I am using on this one, and is based on similar units they rent out in the same area.

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  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    Hi @Jared Crouch

    Here is what I use to calculate the return on a VRBO property, everything in blue should be updated for the property your looking at - my numbers for nights/rate came from the property management I am using on this one, and is based on similar units they rent out in the same area.

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    Real Estate Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 13 votes
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    Thank you for sending this information. Do you have as an excel file? Also This looks like your vacancy rate is around 50%. Is that typical for a VR?

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    Realtor, General Contractor, and Developer · Redding, CA · Member since 2009 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Jared Crouch  Watch Biggerpockets for the new Vacation Rental Forum that is coming soon!! 

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Jared Crouch

    I have this is as a Google spreadsheet so I can access it anytime/anywhere - PM me and I will figure out a way to get you a clean copy you can play with. 

    The vacancy rate is completely variable based the market you are looking in. You can get that data from property managers in the area, or doing research using vrbo.net or other sites to see how similar properties you are looking at are booking up.

    Also - don't forget to use the @name tag so people know your asking questions, I just happened to see this one because I have a "vacation rental" keyword setup...

  • Specialist · Clermont, FL · Member since 2015 · 91 posts · 35 votes
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    Hi @Nayt Grochowski. I'd also be interested in the spreadsheet if it's not too much trouble. Thanks.

  • Investor · Eau Claire, WI · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 14 votes
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    Hi @Nayt Grochowski,

    Is that a 40% fee for property managememt?  Not seen much data on that would guess vacation rentals are pretty high.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Steve Dye

    Yes - 40% for the property manager I am using - others in the area are charging 50-60%

    It's completely hands off, they handle all marketing, booking, cleaning, restocking products.

  • Investor · Eau Claire, WI · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 14 votes
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    Thanks @Nayt Grochowski!

    Nice website btw.

  • Investor · Haverhill, MA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 8 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski - Nice proforma spreadsheet. Thanks!

  • Real Estate Agent · Sandy, UT · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 7 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski and everyone else, I am looking at vacation rentals in my area but most of them are only for shares of the property/ I would only be able to rent it out for part of the year instead of 365. I was wondering if you knew of an equation to find cap rates by plugging in the number of days I would own? Thanks!

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Taylor Call - Problem is it all depends on the time of year - the numbers in my sheet are based on an average over the entire year. Prices should fluctuate all year round based on peak vs slow seasons etc. 

    If you are only able to rent out the property for part of the year you need to research what the average vacancy is for that time and then bump it up 10% to be safe.... it is completely doable, but is just going to require much more research and narrowing down the values in the spreadsheet.

  • Rental Property Investor · Braintree, VT · Member since 2013 · 35 posts · 13 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski Hi- I just found this thread and was wondering if I could get a copy of the spreadsheet if it's not too much to ask. The screen shot of it looks like it would be very helpful. Thanks!

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Brooke Spaulding You can download a copy here: VRBO Calculations

    Hope this helps you out!

  • Rental Property Investor · Braintree, VT · Member since 2013 · 35 posts · 13 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski Thanks Nayt- this looks very helpful! I appreciate it :)

  • Kiryat Ono, Israel · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 10 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski thank you for sharing the excel sheet! Is this something that the property manager supplied with before you bought the property? If so, would you say it was an accurate reflection of the actual return? For a totally hands-off operation this seems like a sweet deal. Where in the US is that?

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    Hi @Anne M.

    I built the spreadsheet based on other rentals I have done, but the figures for nightly rental rate, vacancy, etc came from the property management company based on similar rentals in that area they manage. This property ended up falling through (short sale that did not get approved) - but I had talked with other investors in the area and the numbers are accurate - this was in Branson MO.

  • Kiryat Ono, Israel · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 10 votes
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    Thank you! 

  • Braselton, GA · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 2 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski can you send me the spreadsheet you are using.  I am purchasing my first vacation rental in the next few months and this would be very helpful comparing properties.  Thank you!

  • Matt BurrPro Member
    Real Estate Investor · Chelsea, MI · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 13 votes
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    Erica Muller can you send me your vacation rental comparison sheet?
  • Denham Springs, LA · Member since 2015 · 133 posts · 35 votes
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    ME TOO!! I would totally manage that property myself for an extra 12K? is it that much work? 

  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Kimberly Herring @Chad C. You can download a copy here: VRBO Calculations

  • Braselton, GA · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 2 votes
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    Thank  you Nayt!

  • ME · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 10 votes
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    @Nayt Grochowski Thank you so much for this post, I found it very helpful! On the VRBO Calculations Spreadsheet, can you please explain what the 80 for "Monthly Income- High/Low Nights" means? It doesn't make sense that it's nightly rental income, unless I am thinking of it incorrectly?


  • Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2015 · 35 posts · 43 votes
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    @Account Closed its for you to estimate how many nights a year you will rent out at the High rate vs the Low rate. It all depends on your location and how often you can get your unit rented out for the different rates.

  • ME · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 10 votes
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    Okay so those are nights rented per year, gotcha.

    I will talk to the PM in the area I'm looking to buy and see what he estimates.

    Excellent feedback, Thanks @Nayt Grochowski

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