Is working with a bird dog worth it?

Is working with a bird dog worth it?

Real Estate Professional · San Francisco-East bay, CA · Member since 2013 · 340 posts · 50 votes

When there is cash available and pipeline of investors/funds available, is it worth working with Bird Dogs to get the appropriate deals? What are few things to note when they bring FSBO options? How much is appropriate to offer for their services?
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Rehabber · Jacksonville Florida · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 1 vote
13y

Naveen, I struggle with this question as well. As I'm overseas and not able to physically view properties, how would one go about finding a bird dog?

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  • Rehabber · Jacksonville Florida · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Naveen, I struggle with this question as well. As I'm overseas and not able to physically view properties, how would one go about finding a bird dog?

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2012 · 60 posts · 14 votes
    13y

    Bird dogs find property leads and are paid a referral fee by the investor for these.

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2013 · 403 posts · 59 votes
    13y

    My wife Bird Dog's and get paid $500 per property that they can wholesale.

  • Richmond, VA · Member since 2013 · 27 posts · 4 votes
    13y

    I was speaking to a fellow investor last night at a REI meeting. He recently clolsed a very lucrative deal brought to him by a Bird Dog. She was brand new and he paid her a generous $5,000 (it was a very good deal.) Without her, he would have never found the deal. It was a WIN-WIN all the way around.

    I am willing to bet that it won't be the last deal she finds for him. The average person simply never imagines making that kind of money legally for simply passing on information. Unless you have too many deals to work, I don't see much downside here, especially if they send you high quality leads.

  • Real Estate Professional · San Francisco-East bay, CA · Member since 2013 · 340 posts · 50 votes
    13y

    Thank you everyone, who wrote on this.
    So looks like it does make sense to work with Bird Dog, however how do you know how effective they are? Licensed brokers and agents have websites, and get reviews and stuff. Anything like that for people that does Bird dog.
    Also where/how do you find one in a new Area you get into?

    Thanks.

  • Investor · Los Angeles County, CA · Member since 2012 · 962 posts · 279 votes
    13y

    I would assume a bird dog would make sense if you close the deal. I'm in los angeles and its hard to find something thats a good deal on the MLS.

    Do Bird dogs usually get paid just when the deal is closed or do they get paid per lead?

    Would you generally work with both a broker and bird dog at same time and just pick the best deal that works for you?

    Also where do you find bird dogs?

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Will F.:
    I would assume a bird dog would make sense if you close the deal. I'm in los angeles and its hard to find something thats a good deal on the MLS.

    Do Bird dogs usually get paid just when the deal is closed or do they get paid per lead?

    Would you generally work with both a broker and bird dog at same time and just pick the best deal that works for you?

    Also where do you find bird dogs?

    Most get paid after the deal is closed but some get paid per lead anywhere from $5-$10 a lead.

  • Investor/Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2010 · 107 posts · 92 votes
    13y

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm joining the conversation late but my experience is very positive using bird dogs or "wholesalers."

    I own a brokerage firm in addition to investing and syndicating and I use bird dogs regularly.

    There are several regulars who have brought me good deals over the past years on a continual basis and many others who bring me a few worthless leads before disappearing.

    If everyone's comments are the norm (excepting Max's REI friend) I seem to be dramatically overpaying. Regardless, my thought is that they are worth every cent if they bring me a deal I wouldn't otherwise have seen. In other words, I'll gladly pay someone $1 to make $2 or $3.

    My rules for bird dogs are simple. Don't bring me anything listed on the MLS and you only get paid if I close a deal.

    I'm in Los Angeles and invest all over LA and Orange County so our deal size usually falls between $250,000 on the low end to $1 million on the high end. We pay our bird dogs $5k per closed deal.

    Our guys know what we look for in terms of a return on our investment so our regulars are pretty good at bringing us more hits than misses.

    I hate to generalize, but after doing this for 19+ years my experience has taught me that most people who wholesale have very limited/inaccurate impressions of market value. As always there are exceptions (eg. most of my regulars) however it's imperative as the one putting capital at risk that you do all of your own due diligence before buying anything brought to you.

    Having said that, I'd be interested to hear more about Sam's experience trying to do this from overseas...

    Best of luck to everyone!

    -Allan

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